The Penny drops?

[D-Roc]

Ok, this is just a pure random thought..but you know the last scene of S2, the one were Penny picks up the phone to talk to the 2 guys..well, what if it's not in 'real-time' (like many suspect) but infact a flashback?

I mean, who's to say that Penny and/or those two fellas arent already on the island in search of Desmond? (i presume thats what theyre doing). So perhaps this scene was from the time when Des killed Kelvin..the other near electro meltdown

Also, how does/did Penny know that Des was working in an electromagnetic hatch? Fair enough Widmore obviously has links with Dharma (pregnancy kit in hatch)..but still, just how much does Penny know?

[Beach Crew]

I have to say, I don't trust Penny.

Well, I do and I don't. I just don't like the way she has a private phoneline connected to two random people who I presume are searching for Desmond and the island.

It worries me.

But yes...this flashback idea is good. It could be that she has been searching for him for a long while, and that these people are already on their way perhaps? Who knows.

Tis an interesting idea.

[Murgatroyd]

Technically, I suppose it could be a flashback, but it'd have to be from two seperate points of view (Penny's and the men in the station), not Desmond's, so it doesn't fit the pattern of any character POV flashback we've seen yet. Also, if it's meant to be a flashback, it'll, first off, be rather confusing to make this clear, because viewers tend to assume an event is in present time unless it's somehow signalled that it isn't; and second, it'll undermine the great revelation of that episode - that they aren't in a snowglobe and that the outside world still exists.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Beach Crew,October 14, 2006 01:18 pm

I have to say, I don't trust Penny.

Well, I do and I don't. I just don't like the way she has a private phoneline connected to two random people who I presume are searching for Desmond and the island.

It worries me.

But yes...this flashback idea is good. It could be that she has been searching for him for a long while, and that these people are already on their way perhaps? Who knows.

Tis an interesting idea.

This Penny woman is mighty strange. I mean..for one thing, who was she getting married to? And if she loved Des so much then why get married whilst he's rotting in prison? She must have had some idea that her father would prevent Des from contacting her..and she doesnt strike me as the type of woman who would allow herself to be dictated to by her father or anyone else for that matter.

She's a powerful woman..or she certainly seems to be.

And those guys..whilst im sure they are experts..they didnt half seem a but amauerish in their behaviour..wouldnt Pen have got better qualitifed people to look for the island?

And why the 'yellow' phone. I dont think ive ever seen a yellow phone used in a programme before (ok, i probably have but i cant recall when, lol). Any significance i wonder

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Murgatroyd,October 14, 2006 01:50 pm

Technically, I suppose it could be a flashback, but it'd have to be from two seperate points of view (Penny's and the men in the station), not Desmond's, so it doesn't fit the pattern of any character POV flashback we've seen yet. Also, if it's meant to be a flashback, it'll, first off, be rather confusing to make this clear, because viewers tend to assume an event is in present time unless it's somehow signalled that it isn't; and second, it'll undermine the great revelation of that episode - that they aren't in a snowglobe and that the outside world still exists.

Hmm, i see your point in that for it to be a flashback it would have to be from 2 seperate points of view..and not Desmonds

However i disagree that it would undermine the key revelation about the outside world still existing because if it were a flashback, because (imo) this possibly flashback would only be 28 or so days ago..because it could be taking place during that scene when the electromagnetic hatch went into overdrive (when Desmond missed the button after killing Kelvin). So be it a month earlier in the lost-timeline, it still retains the impact of the outside world still existing, imo.

What I mean is: we saw the light blinking, thus indicating that the 2 men had found the electromagnetic reading they were looking for, because the button was not pressed and so the electro charge fromt he island at that moment in time was able to be detected..but who's to say it was from LTDA episode? Perhaps it was from the other time the button wasnt pressed - like after Des killed Kelvin..

[St. Anger]

And those guys..whilst im sure they are experts..they didnt half seem a but amauerish in their behaviour..wouldnt Pen have got better qualitifed people to look for the island?

Getting 2 guys to live in a station in the North/South pole....would be very difficult. As for being amauterish, they'd probably not experienced any 'anomonlies' in months or even years and so it was very unexpected.

I don't see how it being a flashback would undermine the revelation of the outside world still existing. Even if the flashback was years ago, the real world would still be being revealed as still existing so it's still a revelation.

Trust the man KoRevo to keep slamming out meaningnful topics even now, during our hiatus.

[Murgatroyd]

Originally Posted by St. Anger (o'_'o),October 15, 2006 01:27 am

I don't see how it being a flashback would undermine the revelation of the outside world still existing. Even if the flashback was years ago, the real world would still be being revealed as still existing so it's still a revelation.

Well, no... the real world would be revealed as having existed 'years ago', but not necessarily in post-crash 2004.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by St. Anger (o'_'o),October 15, 2006 02:27 am

Getting 2 guys to live in a station in the North/South pole....would be very difficult. As for being amauterish, they'd probably not experienced any 'anomonlies' in months or even years and so it was very unexpected.

I don't see how it being a flashback would undermine the revelation of the outside world still existing. Even if the flashback was years ago, the real world would still be being revealed as still existing so it's still a revelation.

Trust the man KoRevo to keep slamming out meaningnful topics even now, during our hiatus.

Yeah, theyre proberly not used to finding such anomolies and so it was much of a suprise to them to finally get a positive reading..

I agree, the 'possibility' of it being a flashback wouldnt ruin the revelation of the outside world still existing, because it's still a revelation that we saw it existing (if that makes any sense :P )

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Murgatroyd,October 15, 2006 08:19 am

Well, no... the real world would be revealed as having existed 'years ago', but not necessarily in post-crash 2004.

But the thing is, if you look at what i said in my initial post, i reckon that that scene 'could' be from the time when Des 'killed' Kelvin and had to run back to the hatch..thus missing the button..thus causing the electromagnetic charge to build up just like it did in LTDA... so what im suggesting here is that, 'perhaps' the scene with Penny and the 2 guys is a flashback from that time..and not the most recent electromagnetic mayhem.

So in effect this would place that 'flashback' on the day (or day after) that the plane crashed (24/9/06 - or whatever the date was). Therefore the reading that the guys got could have been from that incident - and yet we can see that the real world still existed because they (the 2 men) were alive and were able to phone Penny..

So if it is a flashback then it still proves that the realword exists post plane crash 2004..

(hope that makes sence )

[Murgatroyd]

Yeah, but remember they alluded to having missed a previous incident and were terrified that they'd made the same mistake again - I'm fairly confident that we're meant to assume the first missed incident was Desmond's bringing the 'plane down and the one they caught was the one that just occurred.

[D-Roc]

Maybe youre right..and thats a good point you raise in support of your argument

However i still think it 'could' be a flashback from the 3 or so weeks earlier when Desmond missed the button

[Murgatroyd]

I can see that technically it could be, but I don't see what the storyline would gain from its being set a few weeks in the past - unsignalled - other than a deal of unnecessary confusion.

[St. Anger]

Well, no... the real world would be revealed as having existed 'years ago', but not necessarily in post-crash 2004.

The real world could just as easily exist post-crash......... as the island has been there for decades and real life existed then.

Also, when the plane was brought down, this wasn't necessarily the first ever incident, as the Orientation video spoke of an incident which happened years ago, and doesnt the UVP Map show an incident happening in 1984? Of course the anomoly the foreign guys detetced wasn't the 1984 incident!!

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Murgatroyd,October 15, 2006 03:37 pm

I can see that technically it could be, but I don't see what the storyline would gain from its being set a few weeks in the past - unsignalled - other than a deal of unnecessary confusion.

Well it could tell us that Penny (or those blokes) is already on the island or on her way to the island.

It would also be kinda poetic in that Desmonds actions 28 (or whatever)days ago enabled Penny to locate him.

[lost-lover]

I think her father is more involved than her, perhaps with Hanso? Think about it, he wanted to get rid of Desmond, Desmond competes in his boat race and ends up on and island that has pregnancy tests with her surname on and seems near impossible to escape, maybe she found this out and is trying to track the island because she heard of the experiemnts?