Not Fake Hatch but "Aborted #7"?

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Originally Posted by Mantis Zero,October 01, 2006 01:32 pm

Its a good theory but this is why I dont think that was actually the aborted hatch:



The doors are quite clearly simply fixed to the rock face, no cement to indicate there ever was anything there other than a set of fake doors.

I disagree Mantis..the doors arent attatched to the rock..or at least it doesnt look like it from that picture. It looks like the doors are attached to a door frame..

In fact im not so sure that it is just pure rock..afterall i see some bricks near the bottom there..which tells me that the entrance/doorway was filled in for whatever reason..

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Originally Posted by Murgatroyd,October 01, 2006 01:33 pm

Ah. Yeah, see... that does just look like an untouched rock face to me rather than an excavated hatch that's been filled in.

I disagree. Near the bottom there are bricks..which indicates the manual filling in of the doorway..

[Murgatroyd]

I see no bricks....

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Originally Posted by Murgatroyd,October 01, 2006 03:23 pm

I see no bricks....

near the bottom..

[Murgatroyd]

Essentially I'm still just seeing a big jagged rock face....

[Indie88]

i think i can see a brick at the bottom, and i think that the doors are attached to a frame, not the rock itself.

[Murgatroyd]

Well, we know there was a frame: there was a whole facade in front of the rock face. But it does look to me as though that facade is embedded in an otherwise unexcavated expanse of rock. And it doesn't look like a brick to me, but there you go.

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Originally Posted by Murgatroyd,October 01, 2006 04:31 pm

Essentially I'm still just seeing a big jagged rock face....

look near the bottom, Murg..there are some rather weathered bricks down there so there is.

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Originally Posted by Indie88,October 01, 2006 04:53 pm

i think i can see a brick at the bottom, and i think that the doors are attached to a frame, not the rock itself.

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by Murgatroyd,October 01, 2006 04:57 pm

Well, we know there was a frame: there was a whole facade in front of the rock face. But it does look to me as though that facade is embedded in an otherwise unexcavated expanse of rock. And it doesn't look like a brick to me, but there you go.

Personally i dont think the rock is unexcavated. I still think that the entrance has been filled in with bricks and whatnot.

Also, lets think about this for a moment. This (surely) has to be the aborted hatch because it's the only one that it could be seeing as the map places it on the North shore and the only 2 hatches on/near the North shore are the Arrow and this one..

[Murgatroyd]

Yeah, I need to look at the map again really, but I don't that's a brilliant set for a filled-in hatch. Then again, I haven't forgotten that awful polystyrene cave set....

[Mantis Zero]

Those arent bricks just weathering effects, note that this is a set and not a real rock formation so its not bound to have such details as inset bricks. If you look at the shot of it from the outside its exactly the same texture.



If it was in fact concreted up I feel Sayid would have had an entirely differant reaction than just going "oops" and wandering off back to the boat.

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Originally Posted by Mantis Zero,October 01, 2006 06:57 pm

Those arent bricks just weathering effects, note that this is a set and not a real rock formation so its not bound to have such details as inset bricks. If you look at the shot of it from the outside its exactly the same texture.



If it was in fact concreted up I feel Sayid would have had an entirely differant reaction than just going "oops" and wandering off back to the boat.

Personally i still see weathered bricks..

Imo, it looks like man made bricks rather than natural brick-like rock formation

As for your point about Sayids reaction..well after what he didnt to poor Henry's face, im not that inclined to trust his (lucky) reactions/judgement calls..

[Nickeshi]

Originally Posted by KoRevo,October 01, 2006 06:20 pm

Personally i still see weathered bricks..

Imo, it looks like man made bricks rather than natural brick-like rock formation

As for your point about Sayids reaction..well after what he didnt to poor Henry's face, im not that inclined to trust his (lucky) reactions/judgement calls..

You can't really question his judgement, he was right about Henry.
I can't see any bricks either by the way.

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Originally Posted by Nickeshi,October 01, 2006 07:24 pm

You can't really question his judgement, he was right about Henry.
I can't see any bricks either by the way.

Thats the thing though - he was lucky..very very lucky. Thats how i see it anyway. He tortured and wouldve killed Henry, had it not been for the divine intervention of Ana-Lu. And whats worse is that this man..this man of once moral integrity and a sworn promise never to torture again, well, he did it on mere suspicion alone. He had no proof that he was an Other at the time he left size 10's embedded on HG's bloodied face. And even if he knew (at the time that) HG was an Other, it still doesnt make what he did right or excusable imo..because who's to say that HG should pay for the crimes of his fellow Others? Also, who's to say that it was them who manipulated the whipsers that ended up killing Shannon? (at the time there was no proof of this).

If makes me laugh somewhat because i remember Sayid strapped to Rousseau's chamber of horror and screaming his lungs out..begging to be listened to, begging to ot be judged on mere suspicion.....and what did Rousseau do..she, the woman of delusion, let him go..she certainly didnt beat him to within an inch of his life. So what does this say about Sayid..or should i say Sayid regression?
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The bricks arent perfect bricks like we see on houses over here..they have been weathered and so they look slightly off-key..but i still say that they are bricks..