Lost Community Forums - Official Spoiler-free Lost Fansite  

Go Back   Lost Community Forums - Official Spoiler-free Lost Fansite > Lost Discussion Forums > Theories & Speculation

Notices

Theories & Speculation Share your theories & speculation on LOST. Let your imagination and reasoning collide!

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-26-2008, 06:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
Hello Again :)
Island Architect
 
D-Roc's Avatar
 
Tournaments Won: 1

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Locke's Heart
Fave Character: Locke
Lost Item: Crucifix
Posts: 17,149
Default The Past Replacing Realities - Observation Meet Theory, Theory..?

Yes, I know i posted this in the Libby/Island thread - but I also want to develop this as a theory over time, if only for my own interest in this particular angle

========================

Ok, here's what I noticed.

Basically I've heard people debate as to whether the appearance of Libby was a dream or whether it was *really* Libby or the island..

I think it's a bit of both in that it is Michael's own subconscious rising to the surface. He still feels guilty about what he did and so his guilt is affecting his 'reality'.

When I rewatched the scene where he see's 'Libby' in the hospital, I noticed a few odd things - firstly Mike looks at the monitor next to him - this is the v ery first thing he does upon opening his eyes, and it drew my intention as it seemed 'forced' - and indeed, it turns out that this was a clue as to what was really going on. The scene is basically part dream and part real - the first part is all a subconscious dream, then when he see's Libby he wakes up and things around him are different. For example:

This is the Monitor before he starts screaming. Notice how 'old' it is:


This is the monitor he see's AFTER he starts screaming - it's clearly different and is 'modern'. Even the readings are different - one would expect them to be higher from all the panic, but they're actually lower - showing that the readings in the previous shot (above) were all a figment of Mike's imagination:


even the patient (who looks like Alvar Hanso and Kelvin, I must say) is different. When Mike first looks at him he doesn't have the gas mask on, but has tubes going into his mouth:


However, after he see'e Libby and starts screaming (i.e. after he wakes up), he looks at the man again, and see's that he does have a gas mask on, aswell as the monitor now being closer to his bed:


The camera angle also changes as Mike is screaming - another indication that he was dreaming..creating false realities based on his subconscious guilt.



Basically, I feel that this proves that 'Libby' isn't necessarily a manifestation of the smoke monster or the island, but a figment of Michael's subconscious guilt - although one could argue that the island/Smokie is the very thing which triggers this. But still, I feel that the above was intentional from the creators to give us some footing to understanding the nature of these 'off-island' visions. What does this say about Hugo's vision of Charlie at the mental home? Again, the main parallel here is 'guilt' and 'death'.



Something else which interested me is the fact that he heard mama cass on the radio before he tried to kill himself - Mama Cass is the same chick who sung the song (which names alludes me) in Desmond's opening hatch scene from S2. It's almost as if the creators are trying to allude to the idea of the past replacing current reality - the same goes for the observations above - Mike's dream changes his reality to a skewed version which is triggered by his guilt. I'm not sure how to articulate this properly yet, but there's something fishy going on..they're trying to give us more clues beneath the crumbs..
__________________

Ben shows Jack how to Pop his Collar
---
Following Ben Linus to the end of the wheel
AND IN TURN, THE END OF TIME & SPACE

D-Roc is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links


Old 08-27-2008, 09:05 PM   #2 (permalink)
Hello Again :)
Island Architect
 
D-Roc's Avatar
 
Tournaments Won: 1

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Locke's Heart
Fave Character: Locke
Lost Item: Crucifix
Posts: 17,149
Default

I shall update this upon my return.
__________________

Ben shows Jack how to Pop his Collar
---
Following Ben Linus to the end of the wheel
AND IN TURN, THE END OF TIME & SPACE

D-Roc is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Fringe-Forum.com - Unofficial Home of JJ. Abrams Hot New Series FRINGE!

Affiliates

New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT +1. The time now is 04:34 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.1.0
Lost Community FansiteAd Management by RedTyger

Watch True Blood - Watch Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles - Watch Fringe - Watch 90210


Affiliates