Is 'Jacob' the master of puppets?

[esn]

(Thinking about the GUT2.0 and I havent even started to re-watch yet )

Ahem

This is going to be a relativly short peice, just easing my way back into it

Anways, I have long belived that there is a great behoynd as it were, that has been influencing the inhabitants of the lost island, past present and future, onto the island, that somone wants them all there for the islands true purpose, or even to find its ture purpose. I intially belived that this just applied to the (so called) losties group but I now belive this applies to everyone that has ever been to the island - Dharma, Desmond, Danielle, Kelvin, Henry Gale (the real one), Naomi, Mr Cooper the (so called) others, Adam and Eve and the, erm, 'boaties'. As Locke said, all of them are there for a reason. And since when did 'all' mean a select group?

I mean, Roco has pointed to the gold car theory, influencing certain losties lives at some point. I would also point to the gold cars bigger cousin, the big bus, having just a bigger impact on Juilets life. Then theres the numbers and the flashback connections that they all share with each other.

To my mind, there simply has to be somthing controlling. Of course, one man cant pull this off by himself, he needs a big organisation to help him. But the point is, there does need to be at the top one man, the big cheese as it were.

So who is this big cheese? Mr Shepard, Mr Paik? possably. But Id like to nominate somone that we havent really seen before - execpt for a couple of seconds and one sentance. Step forward Mr Jacob.

Or maybe not quite. Maybe Jacob is just an illusion created by somone off island - the real man behind the curtain - to control the losties destiny. Those not part of the design are elminated. The rest are continued to be influnced in someway to make sure that they are suitable for whatever the great plan is - maybe thats why Smokey played with Eko and Locke - one was deemed unsuitable, the other was. Some may be brought to the island to influence others, Danielle and Desmond. Even Ben was influenced because somone, or somthing brought Dhrama to the island, which in turn brought him, and in turn he brought others. And what of Kates horse? Is that not part of the same thing? I could go on of course because there are too many examples to list of the paranormal and seemingly normal things that happen on the island that leads people to take certain actions further down the line. And for these to happen, I bring you the big cheese. Could he be Jacob? Well theres gotta be a reason why he wanted Locke to help him and why hes been bossing Ben around this whole time. Or perhaps, like the rest of them, hes just a puppet on a string.

[Toby]

The only doubt there is for Jacob "cream cracker" Big Cheese, is those too little words utterd to Locke - 'Help Me'. Two possibilities: one he is messing with Lockes head, or the other more plausable one IMO is that he is just as lost as the rest of them...

But who knows!

[Reed]

Nice ideas there esn, very interesting stuff. I will reply more on this later but I would like to think that Fate is the cause of the many coincidences and links we have seen in Lost. I do not think Jacob alone is controlling actions on the Island, I believe many forces are trying to alter events but for what reason I do not know.

I would not believe nor would I want seemingly unimportant characters like Paik or Widmore to have THAT much to do with the Island because the pay-off would be less interesting. There is something greater existing here.

I think the answer to ALL of this is ultimately what Lost is all about and the big idea behind the show. I think Lost is linked to the Universe, alternate dimensions, loopholes/wormholes in time, the past-present-future and Fate/Destiny. But WHY is any of this even taking place? Obviously this is probably something being saved for the show's Season 6 Finale and/or closing scene.

[D-Roc]

It's certainly an interesting point - who is in control, who is the man behind the curtain?

I agree with you, this is no accident, no fluke..there is a reason why these people were brought to the island. I believe that these reason may be different for different people, but uiltimately I believe them to all be part of the 'design', as you accurately put it.

Bonnie used a 'chain of events', stating that if she didn't believe in Ben (or Jacob) then 'this whole thing would fall apart'. It could be similar in regards to the 'islands' objectives - a chain of events..one which facilitates certain events and actions with the aim of a specific outcome.

However, I'm not convinced that this will all come down to one man..Paik and Widmore are certainly (imo) involved at some level, but I believe their objectives to be very subjectives to the aims of Dharma..or science..war..money..industry.

I believe that ultimately the 'puppet master' will turn out to be something greater, something less tangible in the general sphere of how we perceive the world.

I believe, as Locke does, that the 'island' brought them all there. Where the island stands in relation to God and the Universe (two other 'key' forces I think we should consider) is yet unknown. However I do also believe that despite the 'forces' at work which appear to govern peoples destiny, FREEWILL will come into play.

We will have time-travel, time loops and such..but ultimately I think that the underlying battle will be between freewill and predetermination..or choice and fate, if you will.

Take these two lines from two key characters:

Juliet: "Here I was thinking that freewill still existed.... (on this island)"

Ben: "(stuff about his tumur and Jack falling fromt he sky)..if that's not proof of God, I don't know what is"

In light of who he was speaking to, we should perhaps takes Ben's line about God with a pinch of salt, but nonetheless throught the first 3 seasons we have had freewill and fate being flashed before our eyes, and I think that the above 2 quotes represent the two sides brilliantly.

As for Jacob, you could well be right, he might be that big cheese, the man behind the curtain. Although I suspect that whilst he's the man behind 'a' curtain, he's not the man behind 'the' curtain. As you also suggested, he could well be a puppet on a string himself - I think that this could well be the case in light of his containment and his plea for "help". That's not to say that he can't be the one in control - because clearly he can do stuff..it's just that his power as seemingly been curtailed. But I think that the island..the biggest, most diverse character of all (no wonder with all the souls it has 'demanded') is the 'master', as it were. Although I would really like to know where the island stands in relation to God (an in real God..not Smokey who dishes out judgements left right and centre) and Mrs Hawking's 'Universe'. I would speculate that the island and the Universe are at odds, somewhat.

As for God..is he even looking?

"God can't see this island"