Is Smokey Pregnant?

[D-Roc]

This one is rather 'out there', and so i'll keep it rather short, filling in my thinking where necessary.

We know that the island has fertility problems. Namely that women cannot conceive and successfully give birth on the island. Well, what about Smokey? Surely it has to continue it's reign somehow? Whilst it's unclear whether this seemingly 'sentient' life-force even needs to conceive in order to continue it's legacy, it's very presence on this 'sterile' island does flag some serious questions in my ever questioning mind.

Of course Smokey may not even 'need' to conceive to birth little Smokey's - we saw it split into 3/numorous Smokey's when first encountering Eko - could these be child Smokey's seperating and then re-intergrating into mother in order to create a larger entity (similar to piglets suckling it's mothers teets, perhaps?). Or is the suggestion, as I commonly accept, that this was one Smokey and there are no others, no children etc?

Then if Smokey has no children, is this because it cannot repoduce, or because it doesn't want to..or because it has no 'need' to? I'm just trying to query whether the islands fertility problems affect it's sentient protector..

However, if Smokey has no need to reproduce, then this could suggest that it lives forever..that it's ageless...which reminds me of a certain 'Other' who appears not to age..

So, is there some relationship or parallel between Alpert and Smokey? Whilst I'm not suggesting that Alpert is Smokey's son, could Smokey's properties be the very thing which has placed Richard in thie age-less state?

I said it was 'out-there'..

Just some random thoughts that I'd thought i'd dump and hopefully come back and articulate at a later date.

[The Wizard]

Well I don't think that smokey has the necessary parts to reproduce Or the necessary parts to die... i.e a heart... lungs etc... I suppose I've always believed that he/she is being controlled somehow by one last dharma bloke under the ground somewhere Or Jacob...

[Our Mutual Friend]

I sincerely doubt that Smokey is pregnant in any sort of biological sense, the mechanical noises it often makes suggest it is technological. And even if you go along with the quasi-mystical pseudo-science explanations for the monster - essentially as some judgemental 'force' then it being pregnant hardly seems to fit either.

That said, the fact that it can split up is always very interesting, especially with regards as to exactly how these separate entities interact and operate autonomously.

You furthermore raise a good point about how Smokey "continues its legacy." We don't know how long it's been around, but there must be something that keeps it going. I'll think we'll see the answer to this being somewhere in line with the general electromagnetic energies of the Island, which seem to answer so much Lost..

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by The Wizard

Well I don't think that smokey has the necessary parts to reproduce Or the necessary parts to die... i.e a heart... lungs etc... I suppose I've always believed that he/she is being controlled somehow by one last dharma bloke under the ground somewhere Or Jacob...

Ah, but not every 'living thing' needs hearts or lungs to reproduce. Take plants for instance..

I just wonder whether Smokey falls under Ben's "Every living thing on this island will die".



Don't get me wrong, you're probably right, i'm just pushing the boundaries on a fleeting thought and seeing where I end up..there's still so much we don't know about Smokey/the island/fertility issues.

[Easily confused]

Well of Smokey is hormonally charged it would explain her irrational behaviour but I would say she is more likely to live like a phoenix and possibly her current life/stage/cycle is coming to an end.

[The_other_other]

Ive always seen smokey as a mechanical being which has got loose and become an independent, almost spiritual entity, making its own decisions. Of course, this would mean that it cant reproduce, although it can be destroyed.

[The Wizard]

Originally Posted by KoR-evo

Ah, but not every 'living thing' needs hearts or lungs to reproduce. Take plants for instance..

Yes but plants don't need energy, they don't fly around and kill people. Not the ones I've seen anyway...

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Our Mutual Friend

I sincerely doubt that Smokey is pregnant in any sort of biological sense, the mechanical noises it often makes suggest it is technological. And even if you go along with the quasi-mystical pseudo-science explanations for the monster - essentially as some judgemental 'force' then it being pregnant hardly seems to fit either.

Certainly wouldn't dispute that, although are we seeing a new precedent here? In my mind Smokey has no barrometer..s/he is something the world has never seen before (except the islanders/Dharma etc). The way it operates and the manner in which it evolves/survives is surely open to the possibilities..?

Again, not pinning my hat on this one..just think that it's useful to speculate.

That said, the fact that it can split up is always very interesting, especially with regards as to exactly how these separate entities interact and operate autonomously.

Yeah that's something which really intrigues me too. I guess the term "Ceberus" (on Radzinsky's Map) was given to it for a reason. Although we have seen it in more than 3 seperate parts. I wonder what would happen if ever one of these 'parts' wanted to be independant from the rest..

Jacob? (although I do suspect that he is 'different' from Smokey. Still it's possible they're related in some pseudo form.)

You furthermore raise a good point about how Smokey "continues its legacy." We don't know how long it's been around, but there must be something that keeps it going. I'll think we'll see the answer to this being somewhere in line with the general electromagnetic energies of the Island, which seem to answer so much Lost..

Yeah, the properties of the island seem to be the thing which fuels it..although I do suspect that the souls or subconscious of the dead 'might' also enable it to take human form and gain 'human characteristics'.

It has often been noted that both Smokey and the island itself are like actual characters in the show - whilst character isn't necessarily a human trait, judgement most certainly is. Although not necessarily a good one.

Originally Posted by Easily confused

Well of Smokey is hormonally charged it would explain her irrational behaviour but I would say she is more likely to live like a phoenix and possibly her current life/stage/cycle is coming to an end.

That would certainly be interesting - if her life is near extinction I presume that it would look to extend that life by dabbling in whatever arts gave Alpert his never ending glow. Assuming it's not the other way around and the source of Alperts ever-life isn't Smokey's DNA.

Originally Posted by The_other_other

Ive always seen smokey as a mechanical being which has got loose and become an independent, almost spiritual entity, making its own decisions. Of course, this would mean that it cant reproduce, although it can be destroyed.

Yes, I also believe that it is part technological (how does this stand with Jacob's distaste for technology?), part spiritual and part sentient.

I believe that it does make choices, however I personally believe that when facing islanders it can only use 'truth conditions' - i.e. it must make choices based upon the downloaded 'truth' it has extracted from people. Making Eko's death based on the fact that, as a priest, he didn't apologise..despite there being many lines inbetween for Smokey to read.

Originally Posted by The Wizard

Yes but plants don't need energy, they don't fly around and kill people. Not the ones I've seen anyway...

But there are all types of organisms..many of which we have no barrometer for. My point is just that how we base our judgement of Smokey is perhaps limited by our (as in us humans) current stage of evolution. Smokey imo is ahead of the game (perhaps even from another time/hidden time) and so it's properties are likely to be beyond normal conception

[Easily confused]

Is there a chance that Smokey is the soles of the Dharma people

heres how it works

Ben and co gassed all the Dharma lot the gas took their soles then got absorbed by the earth/sand/island and the soles are angry and want revenge so gather together as one and rise up from the ground on mass in the form of gas smoke to get help from or warn those who are living on the island

[The Wizard]

I do like the sound of that

[Malion]

Fertility is interesting when it comes to Smokey... cause, where there is Smoke, there is Fire...

Strangely enough, that is not the case with Smokey.

That's something to think about eh?

[monster-eats-pilot]

Awwww imagine smokey as a mum!
Smokey is one I think because Juliet said
We don't know what it is but we know it doesn't like our fences...

[Mariusuk]

Erm I am not convinced smokey is alive let aone capable of reproduction, personally I think smokey is a man made entity

[daredeano]

It is interesting but the reason why I think it goes round killing people eve tho it seems it is picking it's victims by random I think it chooses it's victim. We all know the when someone dies on the island there soul remains on the island reason for thinking that in season 3 I think it is John calls upon the island and Boone appears. I honesty think the black smoke is guarding something. and another thing remember when John told the other survivors Boone is a sacrifice that the island demanded it probableys feeds absorbs the souls of others to create the high spirtual energy levels that causes peoples Abilities to massively increase peoples wounds to heal quicker and to cure diseases. That is why I think the frieghtes have been sent to the island to absorbs it's energy.