Rousseau's S1 Transmission

[Reed]

I know Danielle theories have probably been discussed here as they have elsewhere, however I feel this is something new to study.

Upon listening to her transmission recently I found it parculiar she recorded what she did. It seems to me she was not making on off-island distress signal, but it was a plea for help for someone ON the island.

"I'm alone now, it killed them, it killed them all..." or something to that affect. Surely the message should have been "Mayday mayday, I was part of a science expedition and have crashed onto an island and my team have been killed, is anyone receiving this?".

Danielle has always been suspicious in the eyes of Lost fans online, while her lies together with kidnapping Aaron have not won her any points amongst the survivors. But I feel her radio transmission supports she was part of the Dharma Initiative and the Hostiles possibly murdering her team. I think I need to give some thought as to the timeline of events that have happened on the island to try and support this.

• Danielle arrives 16 years ago.

• Inman joins Dharma post or during Iraq conflict 16/17 years ago MINIMUM - i.e. he made mention to Desmond of "the Hostiles" - signalling that Dharma were still operating during Desmond's first year in the hatch. Ben's episode also indicates the Purge happened within the last several years at a guess.

• Purge takes place WELL after Rousseau's team arrived

While treading upon dangerous territory, Danielle's team were killed and her child taken by the Hostiles. Though for whatever reason she has not told the Flight 815 survivors she worked for Dharma, but at the same time she has not lied to them. "I was part of a science expedition". Yes she was. Dharma.

My only issue here is she never SAW the baby-nappers. Perhaps because she was drugged or asleep. I am not certain where the "I murdered my team, because they were sick" comes into this theory, however her apparant knowledge of Mikhail [during the Sayid/Locke/Kate mission to the Others' camp] would support her being Dharma. I think Danielle must have encountered Mikhail and that he worked for Dharma, though upon realising he was a traitor there remains friction between them. Is there any possibility Mikhail was on Rousseau's team?

If looking at her transmission as a plea ON-island, I think this strongly points to Danielle being ex-Dharma but due to the Hostile-Dharma conflict, Dharma were unable to act upon her distress call. Perhaps they thought she was dead or not worth the possible loss of life it may take to retrieve her from enemy territory, a vast stretch of territory of which she could be situated absolutely anywhere.

Though why her ship did not arrive on the island peacefully and why was it subject to a Desmond/Flight 815/Naomi-esque crash is quite parculiar in itself as Dharma surely have ways to control arrivals without the grand entrance of a life threatening crash.

I am not really sure what this changes if this theory is correct but it will make for interesting viewing if Naomi's people are New Dharma.

[Matt Gogi]

Another great, well planned theory, thumbs up to ya

I agree with most of what you said... but just something to add... "I'm alone now"... that makes it sound like she sent another message at some point before the French one when she wasn't alone...

[Reed]

Originally Posted by Matt Gogi

Another great, well planned theory, thumbs up to ya

I agree with most of what you said... but just something to add... "I'm alone now"... that makes it sound like she sent another message at some point before the French one when she wasn't alone...

Thank you again for the compliments It is quite difficult coming up with new theories because the majority of sites have covered lots of them and with Season 4 so long away we do not have any new material to theorise on.

Oh yes, I forgot that part of the transmission. Though if I were Danielle I would have kept the first transmission running because if the transmission we heard was in fact her 2nd I doubt anyone off-island intercepting it would make any sense of it. Though if were intended for someone ON the island, we must assume she was certain her 1st transmission was received by someone before transmitting the 2nd.

Perhaps it was her theoretical first transmission that attracted the attention of the Hostiles. As far as her killing her team and the reason/s for this, I am not really sure how this ties in with a possible encounter with the Hostiles. Maybe the Hostiles poisoned her team or it's just as likely she never even encountered them. Though just how was she so certain that Henry Gale [Ben] was "one of them"? I think within her 16 years on the island she DEFINITELY encountered the Hostiles/Others, but why she chooses to lie about it I do not know.

[D-Roc]

Hmm, interesting post

Firstly, let me say that I agree that Rousseau is a dubious character and that it is highly likely that she is a member of the Dharma Initiative.

Re: her transmission - I agree that it 'could' well have been to someone 'on' the island - My memory is somewhat hazy but I recall reading a transcript where there was a 'Brandon' who was apparently part of her team. She made mention to the fact that he had the keys and had locked in inside - as I said my memory on this is hazy, but I do recall reading this transcript back in S1

As for the Natives killing her team, i'm not personally of that opinion (tho I accept that it is a possibility that they got caught in a 'Dharma-Other/Native' skirmish of somekind) - I personally think she was telling the truth when speaking about her murdering her love..and I think she killed the rest of her team too - her emotion in that scene with Sayid seemed all too 'open'. I think her mention of them being 'sick' could stem from the lies Dharma (i.e. her own potential employees) told their members about the 'sickness' (nice lot that Dharma) - perhaps she got paranoid and done with the lot of them..or perhaps she had visions which 'made her do it' (tho I wouldn't like to give her the benefit of an insanity plea)? Eitherway, I think it's safe to assume that she has alot of blood on her hands..and it's this type of hypocrisy that makes me dislike the woman.

I like what you said about her possibly not seeing her daughters takers - infact didn't she admit to being asleep when Alex was taken (very responsible, Danille)? Which could mean that she herself doesn't know the whole truth - I've always suspected that we are yet to know the full story behind Ally's supposed 'kidnapping'.

Re: the Purge - I think it's important to remember that we onlyt saw the 'first' purge in TMBTC episode - I would suspect that there were several battles and purges (on both sides?) that went on throught the years prior to Desmonds arrival. Infact I would say that Kelvin and fellow reinforcements (cos that's what Kelvin was, I beleive) were brought to the island to boulster the Dharmites ranks and help man the hatces and win the 'war' against the natives - that was until the Others got control of the Submarine of course..once this happened I suspect Dharma's influx of new blood was stopped (cos they had no way of bringing new people to the island)..and once Mikhail swapped sides, they also lost their communication channels to the 'Others'. So basically I would think that the battle for the island went on for a good few years after we see the first Purge (Ben was only about 20-22 then..he's now about 40ish)..with the Others gradually gaining control of Dharmas key vantage points (the sub, Othersville/barracks, The FLame, The Hydra..and so forth)..all except the Swan which they seemed not too bothered with - they must've known Kelv was in there..but perpaps the Others failed to gain control of one last Dharma controlled device - that being Smokey..which I think is the thing which prevented the Others frmo "crossing the line" and thus getting hold of the Swan..? Of course I am open to the 'possibility' of Smokey being sentient and/or part of Jacob (but that's another thread).

But going back to your main point - I would agree..Rousseau imo is either a part of Dharma or an affiliate of somekind. I also suspect that the people coming to the island (Minkowski and co) are a neo-Dharma/Widmore alliance.

And don't even get me started on Hanso..I haven't forgotten about that group The ones who invited Dharma to the island in the first place...

Another poss is that it's Hanso coming to reclaim his dad's discovery (on the blast door map it had his dad or was it grandad's burial site..)? But for now, Im going with the neo-Dham-more angle

[The Wizard]

Originally Posted by KoR-evo

I like what you said about her possibly not seeing her daughters takers - infact didn't she admit to being asleep when Alex was taken (very responsible, Danille)?

What was she supposed to do? A woman's got to sleep! :P

[-x-madegurl-x-]

i like you reed.
a very well thought out theory and it's a shame you don't come on here very often because i'd love to hear more about what great theories you must have

[Reed]

Originally Posted by -x-madegurl-x-

i like you reed.
a very well thought out theory and it's a shame you don't come on here very often because i'd love to hear more about what great theories you must have

Thank you x-madegurl-x-, that is very kind Well I only registered recently and everything is going well so expect more input from me.

[E Pluribus Unum]

It's a good theory, and one that's been brought up many times (Danielle as Dharma) but you've backed it up with some strong evidence. Ignoring KoRs sly digs :P I do agree with most of what has been said in this thread. She is very suspicious, though I would like to point out that she probably wasn't 'a little crazy' (understatement) pre-child napping; obviously, now, she's a shell of a person and I think she would want nothing better than for Ben to FAIL (understandable considering her situation) - and I think this is her main motive for helping the survivors (how's that for irony? Ben/The Others kidnap Alex and Dani ruins Ben's/The Others world 16 years later - d'oh)

But yes, I think it's possible... Though I hope it isn't. I do like the fact she's a bit of mystery - part of the Island's history even, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me if she was a Dharma-Farma

A little off-topic, but I've noticed a few links with people arriving to the Island, the timelines and such. I think Desmond arrived at the same time (maybe?) as Juliet did, maybe Des rode on Ethan/Juliet/The Sub's coattails?

[Reed]

Originally Posted by KoR-evo

Hmm, interesting post

Firstly, let me say that I agree that Rousseau is a dubious character and that it is highly likely that she is a member of the Dharma Initiative.

Re: her transmission - I agree that it 'could' well have been to someone 'on' the island - My memory is somewhat hazy but I recall reading a transcript where there was a 'Brandon' who was apparently part of her team. She made mention to the fact that he had the keys and had locked in inside - as I said my memory on this is hazy, but I do recall reading this transcript back in S1

As for the Natives killing her team, i'm not personally of that opinion (tho I accept that it is a possibility that they got caught in a 'Dharma-Other/Native' skirmish of somekind) - I personally think she was telling the truth when speaking about her murdering her love..and I think she killed the rest of her team too - her emotion in that scene with Sayid seemed all too 'open'. I think her mention of them being 'sick' could stem from the lies Dharma (i.e. her own potential employees) told their members about the 'sickness' (nice lot that Dharma) - perhaps she got paranoid and done with the lot of them..or perhaps she had visions which 'made her do it' (tho I wouldn't like to give her the benefit of an insanity plea)? Eitherway, I think it's safe to assume that she has alot of blood on her hands..and it's this type of hypocrisy that makes me dislike the woman.

I like what you said about her possibly not seeing her daughters takers - infact didn't she admit to being asleep when Alex was taken (very responsible, Danille)? Which could mean that she herself doesn't know the whole truth - I've always suspected that we are yet to know the full story behind Ally's supposed 'kidnapping'.

Re: the Purge - I think it's important to remember that we onlyt saw the 'first' purge in TMBTC episode - I would suspect that there were several battles and purges (on both sides?) that went on throught the years prior to Desmonds arrival. Infact I would say that Kelvin and fellow reinforcements (cos that's what Kelvin was, I beleive) were brought to the island to boulster the Dharmites ranks and help man the hatces and win the 'war' against the natives - that was until the Others got control of the Submarine of course..once this happened I suspect Dharma's influx of new blood was stopped (cos they had no way of bringing new people to the island)..and once Mikhail swapped sides, they also lost their communication channels to the 'Others'. So basically I would think that the battle for the island went on for a good few years after we see the first Purge (Ben was only about 20-22 then..he's now about 40ish)..with the Others gradually gaining control of Dharmas key vantage points (the sub, Othersville/barracks, The FLame, The Hydra..and so forth)..all except the Swan which they seemed not too bothered with - they must've known Kelv was in there..but perpaps the Others failed to gain control of one last Dharma controlled device - that being Smokey..which I think is the thing which prevented the Others frmo "crossing the line" and thus getting hold of the Swan..? Of course I am open to the 'possibility' of Smokey being sentient and/or part of Jacob (but that's another thread).

But going back to your main point - I would agree..Rousseau imo is either a part of Dharma or an affiliate of somekind. I also suspect that the people coming to the island (Minkowski and co) are a neo-Dharma/Widmore alliance.

And don't even get me started on Hanso..I haven't forgotten about that group The ones who invited Dharma to the island in the first place...

Another poss is that it's Hanso coming to reclaim his dad's discovery (on the blast door map it had his dad or was it grandad's burial site..)? But for now, Im going with the neo-Dham-more angle

Thanks

I feel with the survivors not probing her enough, that she has gotten away with her lies and avoided meaningful interrogation.

Interesting re: this transcript. I wonder whether the transmission was for this Brandon character. By "inside", do you mean the ship? Speaking of their ship, was it ever revealed what happened to it?

Yes there was alot of believability in her episode with Sayid I agree. So you are also under the impression she IS/WAS Dharma? I cannot think of any possible information she was given from Dharma in regards to a sickness on the island and just exactly WHY she NEEDED to murder them. Was it because the sickness would spread or because the sickness would cause them to become "crazy", putting her life in danger?

Nice idea re: her having visions, that would be very plausible indeed. Also plausible is she saw future visions either from the Black Smoke [which we know she HAS encountered], or from a manisfestation of someone she knows who informed her she NEEDED to kill her team. I agree she is a little "off", one only need to watch Armageddon [the movie] to see that being alone for long periods that make a person experience mental irregularity - the Russian Cosmonaut. The fact she murdered her husband and team, alone, shows she cannot be trusted, imo.

I am not sure if she stated she was asleep, but it is possible. That, or she was drugged or not within distance of Alex - perhaps fetching water or food. I think a nice Dannielle flashback should show the kidnapping along with her crashing onto the island. I would love to see Season 4 begin with a Danielle flashback, though I would heavily bet on it being a Jack flashback. Wouldn't it be interesting if the "kidnapping" was not a kidnapping, but rather a trade of somekind - a trade she regrets.

Oh yes there is ALOT we need to learn about the Purge. We know SO little, that it is just as possible the Hostiles are to blame for the "fued" with Dharma. While Dharma may have not been good for the island, that is merely a guess. Perhaps Dharma were the good guys, perhaps not. I think stating the Hostiles were the good guys because they were the original inhabitants and their land was invaded by Dharma is a little unfair imo.

Kelvin's words to Desmond would support your statement about him being a reinforcement, though it is interesting how Mikhail was converted to "Hostile-ism" and Kelvin was not. Interesting comments about the Hostiles taking the Sub and Mikhail's communications shack. In Ben's flashback, the gunfire was awefully close, evidence the Hostiles found a way to infiltrate the fence - even before Ben switched sides.

I would imagine losing the Sub and shack was the beginning of the slippery slope that was Dharma's existance. I wonder why they did not take control of the Swan - which I still feel is important to the show. Yes the Black Smoke may have been Dharma controlled, but surely either it would have malfunctioned the moment Dharma were murdered or the Hostiles would have taken control of it.

I am unware of this Minkowski you speak of. Where did this name crop up from? I also would like these people on their way to turn out to be Dharma, I think that would be the most interesting/sensible route to take. Of course we could be looking at a 3rd party intent on ridding the island of the Hostiles AND Dharma [already unbeknown to them, deceased].

I think when the Hanso Foundation first discovered the island, it was during a time where they/the world were not environmentally friendly - the 1960's. I think their intent was probably with good intent, but back then so was burning the O-Zone Layer, smoking, using up the Earth's resources without a care for the future and many other things the Human race did without thinking about the consequences for the Planet.

That is also intriguiging re: Hanso. While Hanso sent Dharma to the island, perhaps Dharma were one of several companies under the Hanso Umbrella and now a island-friendly Hanso child-company is on it's way - headed by Hanso Jnr. Why and for what purpose, who knows.

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