Early S3 THEORY

[D-Roc]

I thought i'd pose an early S3 theory..im quite prepared to be wrong with this but here goes:

We know that the Others seem interested in testing the blood of their captives - Mike, Jack and Kate all had their blood taken (we see Kate and Jack peel of their plasters were blood had been taken)..

Anyhoo..why are they testing this blood? Before S3 there was speculation from some of us that they tested mike's blood because they wanted to see whether he really was Walt's biological father.. However, the (presumed) testing of Jack and Kates blood would suggest that this wasnt the reason?

So, perhaps theyre testing their blood because someone within Camp Lostie is ill with a 'mysterious blood disorder'..hmm, now where have weheard that before.. (ahem..Susan).. but if thats too elaborate, what if someone like Ben is ill with a blood disease or something? Do they desperately need a match/donor or something? Would this explain why Juliet was so sad at the begining of the episode? Was she burdened with the thought of her Benry dying from this illness? I realise theres tension between them but perhaps this is born out of his 'stubborness' to let her help him or something..?

Okay a bit of a hairbrain theory there but it's just that the creators went to some lengths to show Kate and Jack (and Mike) having blood drawn from them by the Others..

And what about Sawyer - why didnt they show him peeling off a plaster? Did they even test his blood and if not then why?

Feel free to rip it to pieces

[Kitiara]

Well Rocco it seems a fair theory at this early stage. Anything goes as they say. Its telling that they wanted a doctor. And seem to be treating him differently. I dont see them putting him to work on "the chain gang". Dont want him to hurt his hands maybe?
Do you think the tactics they have been using against him are to "break" him for some reason? Coz it seems to be working.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Kitiara,November 20, 2006 08:39 pm

Well Rocco it seems a fair theory at this early stage. Anything goes as they say. Its telling that they wanted a doctor. And seem to be treating him differently. I dont see them putting him to work on "the chain gang". Dont want him to hurt his hands maybe?
Do you think the tactics they have been using against him are to "break" him for some reason? Coz it seems to be working.

Yeah they are treating Jack differently arent they..

Yes, i do indeed - i think they are trying to break jack..almost like they want to devolve or revert him back so that they can free him of all his baggage and rebuild or remould him into a 'better person'. I feel that they see potential in Jack (a bit like how Goodwin saw potential in Ana) and so they want to 'save' him, i guess.

Though i do think they are also doing this for their own needs and not purely out of the goodness of their hearts They want/need him for something..and i wouldnt be at all suprised if Christian is still alive..i mean, who's voice was that..sounded like Christians and i dont think Jack was hallucinating despite what Juliet says...

To be fair though i also think theyre trying to deconstruct Sawyer and Kate in order to reconstruct them as better human beings.. ...almost as if theyre rebuilding man in their own image..

[The_other_other]

no i dont think so im afraid. I get the impression benrys intentions for jack et all are purely experimental

[D-Roc]

I dont, i think theres more than mere experiments to their motivations. I agree that their is a strong experimental drive to their actions but i do feel as though there is a 'bigger picture' here. And not just with my theory (which i accept is probably wrong) but with the whole capture of 'Team jack'..im sure there's more to it then just experiments..otherwise why go to so much effort..?

[Cavegirl]

Hm, that's an interesting theory, as someone once said.

I don't think think Henry is dying. He has shown no sign of illness or debilitation. However, I can think of something in favour of your hypothesis: He has lived all his life on the island (so he says). Perhaps he has some congenital problem, which his family knew about in vitrio, and hearing of the healing effects of the island they moved there to raise him - but he can never leave... This would suggest that what they want Jack to do involves curing Henry permanently so that, as Ben, sorry, I must call him Ben. As Ben says, "I will take you home". If Ben does take Jack home, this would presumably be the first time he leaves the island.

My own take on things was that they took blood samples to test for "the sickness" which I still think may be real. I suspect they are searching for a cure, and this is why only certain (immune) members of their group can go to the Swan hatch area - just my pet theory.

I would agree now, Korevo, that they are not merely experimenting on their "guests" - they seem to me to be trying to brainwash them!

[Wolstie]

maybe they are treating jack differently cos he is a Doctor and if Ben is ill then he is Doctor and can save him, though I would assume the others would have doctors due to the medical centre that Claire is in, in Season 2

[The_other_other]

Originally Posted by Cavegirl,November 20, 2006 08:05 pm

Hm, that's an interesting theory, as someone once said.

I don't think think Henry is dying. He has shown no sign of illness or debilitation. However, I can think of something in favour of your hypothesis: He has lived all his life on the island (so he says). Perhaps he has some congenital problem, which his family knew about in vitrio, and hearing of the healing effects of the island they moved there to raise him - but he can never leave... This would suggest that what they want Jack to do involves curing Henry permanently so that, as Ben, sorry, I must call him Ben. As Ben says, "I will take you home". If Ben does take Jack home, this would presumably be the first time he leaves the island.

My own take on things was that they took blood samples to test for "the sickness" which I still think may be real. I suspect they are searching for a cure, and this is why only certain (immune) members of their group can go to the Swan hatch area - just my pet theory.

I would agree now, Korevo, that they are not merely experimenting on their "guests" - they seem to me to be trying to brainwash them!

Now that is an interesting theory, great work!

[Kitiara]

Do you think thye took Jack Kate and Sawyer coz they thought they were "good people"? That's who they are after aren't they.... good people.
Wonder who they class as good? People they can manipulate? Turn into better adults?

Did you notice they referred to Sayid as "the Iraqi" all the time? They never used his name. Yet call the rest by their names.

[Cavegirl]

Originally Posted by Kitiara,November 20, 2006 08:10 pm

Do you think thye took Jack Kate and Sawyer coz they thought they were "good people"? That's who they are after aren't they.... good people.

Wonder who they class as good? People they can manipulate? Turn into better adults?

My thoughts exactly, Kitiara! People they can use, people who will be good for their cult once they get them on side.

Did you notice they referred to Sayid as "the Iraqi" all the time? They never used his name. Yet call the rest by their names.

I didn't notice that. Well spotted! I will have to rewatch. Out of interest, were there any Others who were not black or white? I ask because they may be trying to build a society without certain gene pools. If this is the case, they may have a dislike for certain ethnicities, which could explain their refusal to call Sayid by name. That said, they did call Sun by name. Hm... 

[Audio Pineapple]

I thought that they'd taken the blood to check for powers but I'm liking the theroy's here - esspecially Cavegirl's one about how it would let Ben leave the island.

I don't remember seeing any Others who weren't White actually - although Marvin Candle was Asian - but that just opens the debate about when, where, how and why the Others are related to Dharma again.

I don't remember seeing any Ethnic captives either - but we did see them try to kidnap Eko in TO48D.

[Cavegirl]

Originally Posted by Audio Pineapple,November 20, 2006 08:34 pm

I don't remember seeing any Others who weren't White actually - although Marvin Candle was Asian - but that just opens the debate about when, where, how and why the Others are related to Dharma again.

I don't remember seeing any Ethnic captives either - but we did see them try to kidnap Eko in TO48D.

Well, Miss Klugh is black, as is Walt who they kidnapped. I was wondering if it was a specifically anti-semitic issue.

Note - the term anti-semitic is commonly used to mean anti-jewish. However, historically it has meant those from the middle eastern region, including Iraq.

[Audio Pineapple]

Ahh forgot about Ms Klugh (wish I could still forget about her lol)

They could just have something against Sayid because he tried to murder Ben twice I suppose... if someone wanted to hurt my friend/leader I would probably want to refer to them as little as possible and calling him 'the Iraqi' could be a way to establish distance from him, and to turn Sayid into a function rather than a human as punishment in their eyes for his attacks against Ben.

[Kiowa Warrior]

Interesting theory Roco, but I'm not too sure about it myself at the moment. I think that if Benry (or any of the Others) were suffering from a deadly illness there would be a lot more urgency in their actions, and that they wouldn't be spending time on much else except working towards a cure.

Unless that the Others' test is to use any of the resources they find on the island to try and cure their illness. Maybe their main job (or one of their jobs) for Dharma is specifically to find a cure for the sickness or some other illness.

But I do agree that there is more to the Others than taking people's blood for something.

[St. Anger]

To be fair though i also think theyre trying to deconstruct Sawyer and Kate in order to reconstruct them as better human beings.. ...almost as if theyre rebuilding man in their own image.. 

I like this theory very much.

Maybe they're trying to humble them by making them "work the yard" as it were, as means to break them down mentally.