Can Sawyer Redeem Himself/Will Sun forgive him?

[D-Roc]

I ask this question because it really does interest me. Although i personally dont think his remorseful looks towards Sun indicate that he deserves forgiveness in itself, i do accept that the producers put that in for a reason - perhaps to make us wonder whether he truely is sorry for initiating the attack on Sun. Anyway, i suppose my question is less about Sawyer (and Charlie, for that matter) and more about Sun. Afterall, she was the victim in their plans. Do you think that she can ever forgive Sawyer and Charlie? Can someone look past an attack like that? or has the Glass Ballerina shown us that if there one person you dont mess with, it's Sun?

Perhaps nothing will come of this mini storyline..perhaps it will all be forgotten about once Jack and co comeback from paradise, but then again..i didnt expect her to kill Colleen..

Any thoughts on any of the above?

[Jen]

i think she could probably forgive charlie quite easily because he was obviously very sorry when he told her about what he'd done.

i do think that in time she can forgive sawyer, ebcause it's obvious he's changing his ways especially in the last episode when he was helping everybody out and made them "happy". Also sun forgave Jin for his "delivering messages" for her dad and stuff so she seems like quite a forgivng person maybe. Also her guilt of killing colleen could be enough to make her forgive him because being "kidnapped" is a lot less worse than murdering someone.

[The_abbott]

To be honest, I really have gone off Sun since the Glass Ballerina and I don't think she is the forgiving type. Watch her Charlie and Sawyer!

[Kennindra47]

Sun will forgive them. im certain of it. she doesnt seem like the type that could hold a grudge for too long. plus she should understand that the island can do weird things to you. everyone just got caught up in the whole "lord of the flies" leadership quarrel.

[The_other_other]

can sawyer redeem himself? Yes
will Sun forgive him? No

[Lost Lewis]

I think this will just be a ceased storyline. I don't think we'll see much more of the Sun/Sawyer sub-story. I would like too, but Lost seems to have a nack for vanishing storylines
But I do think Sawyer can redeem himself if he can keep up his new way of island life seen in Left Behind.

[Blloydy]

I think Sawyer can make up for what he did, in fact he may not have meant good bin stealing the guns, but if you think about it, the majority of the deaths on the island are due to guns - so he did a good thing.

I want Sun to forgive him, but I'm not sure she will. She must feel really betrayed - thinking it was the others when all along it was people she thought were her friends. I wouldn't blame her if she never forgave them, but she atleast has some mercy because she isn't telling Jin..

[-x-madegurl-x-]

I justfound it so funny how Sawyer smiled at her in such a way and she didn't smile back i've never seen that happen to him!

But I'm sure that over time she'll gradually build whatever sort of relationship they had back up with him.

[esn]

Originally Posted by KoR-evo

I ask this question because it really does interest me. Although i personally dont think his remorseful looks towards Sun indicate that he deserves forgiveness in itself, i do accept that the producers put that in for a reason - perhaps to make us wonder whether he truely is sorry for initiating the attack on Sun. Anyway, i suppose my question is less about Sawyer (and Charlie, for that matter) and more about Sun. Afterall, she was the victim in their plans. Do you think that she can ever forgive Sawyer and Charlie? Can someone look past an attack like that? or has the Glass Ballerina shown us that if there one person you dont mess with, it's Sun?

Perhaps nothing will come of this mini storyline..perhaps it will all be forgotten about once Jack and co comeback from paradise, but then again..i didnt expect her to kill Colleen..

Any thoughts on any of the above?

I think that the enviroment that they are in she has to forgive them (including Charlie in this because he actually carried out the attack) - eventually. Although it would take an awful long time because their reasons for doing so werent in the greater good or particulary noble It would have left her feeling very vunerable, humilated and scared, not to mention truamatised. It wont be an experience she'll forget in a hurry, espcially since it came from on of their own, and not sure weather she could trust them again. It will take a lot for them to win that turst back. I dont think shes has forgiving has Claire - I mean she went off Jin pretty quick and wasnt whilling to reconsile although that is slightly different and for another thread so I wont go there. But has I said in the beginning, because of the length of time they are on the island they will be forgiven.

Has for redemption? Well yes that will happen, but again that will take along time, unless either has to somthing heroic. more likely to be Sawyer than Charlie but hey

[E Pluribus Unum]

It's a good questions; I think Sawyer is genuinely remorseful of his actions - but like you say KoR, that doesn't mean he should be forgiven. In the end that's up to Sun - time is a healer and all that.

I think Sawyer can redeem himself, but gaining Sun's forgiveness is another matter. For example, if Sawyer was to save Sun's life - that could mean he has redeemed himself, but wouldn't necessarily mean Sun would have forgiven him for his part in her kidnapping (and where's Charlie in all this by the way, Sawyer may have supplied the means - to which he should be punished - but Chaza did the deed...)

[Murgatroyd]

He can redeem himself... I know during season 2 I didn't believe he was ever actually going to and I still think he has *miles* to go, but it's a bit grim to rule out the possibility of anyone's ever being able to redeem themselves. I think the remorse he showed was genuine - it wasn't an act put on for anyone's benefit. But to truly redeem himself, it has to go beyond just feeling sorry for what he did - he has to stop acting like a jerk, basically, start behaving decently towards people and, if he really wants to repent properly of everything he's done, frankly go a bit above and beyond the call of duty. I'll not put up for the Ana Lucia version of merely deciding not to commit yet another murder (and then deciding otherwise)....

As to whether or not Sun's going to forgive him, I think that's up to her, and kudos to her if she can manage it. I thought they traded smiles at the end of Left Behind, personally, which to me indicated that she could forgive him.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by E PLURIBUS UNUM

It's a good questions; I think Sawyer is genuinely remorseful of his actions - but like you say KoR, that doesn't mean he should be forgiven. In the end that's up to Sun - time is a healer and all that.

I think Sawyer can redeem himself, but gaining Sun's forgiveness is another matter. For example, if Sawyer was to save Sun's life - that could mean he has redeemed himself, but wouldn't necessarily mean Sun would have forgiven him for his part in her kidnapping (and where's Charlie in all this by the way, Sawyer may have supplied the means - to which he should be punished - but Chaza did the deed...)

I agree. I think it's Suns perogative to choose to forgive him or not. She has every right not to forgive him (and Charlie) after what they did..but likewise, if she could find it in her heart to forgive him/them then that would be interesting. Personally i think it would be interesting, if not good, to see Sawyer redeem himself..i just think alot of this likihood rides on what Sun chooses to do..will she tell Jin? Will she get revenge (hey, shes 'capable')?

Im not convinced by Sawyers remorse..not sure how much we should read into that after several previous 'false dawns'..but it's obviously in there for a reason, so who knows..perhaps the man can do it..perhaps he can change afterall. But then he still has this thing for Kate and she just isnt any good for him..or Jack.

[Murgatroyd]

I'd argue against the notion that Sun is at all vengeful... barring her slapping Sawyer - which I can't deny he'd very much earned - I don't think we've ever seen her act on a vengeful feeling, which is more than you can say for many of the Losties. I think when she said she wouldn't tell Jin, she meant her it, and her only reaction to what Sawyer did (post-slapping) is going to be in her demeanour towards him, making him feel that his behaviour is bang out of order. And I think that sort of restraint may go some way towards making Sawyer feel still more abashed for what he did. I have vague hopes for him.

[Easily confused]

I think you are right KoR I think something will come of it

I am not sure if Sun will forgive him I think the something that is to come will be more about a change in Sawyer what with the being surprised that everyone was pleased to see him back when he returned from the Others with Kate and then Hurley pointing out that he is the leader without Jack/Locke being there

I just hope there isn’t some cheesey storyline where Sawyer saves Sun’s life (ie he catches her falling off a cliff as always seems to happen in tv land) to even things out

I do think Sun will forgive him though I think she is just letting him sweat it out a bit first I mean she always got on with Michael with all the arguments he had with Jin

[Murgatroyd]

Originally Posted by Easily confused

I think you are right KoR I think something will come of it

I am not sure if Sun will forgive him I think the something that is to come will be more about a change in Sawyer what with the being surprised that everyone was pleased to see him back when he returned from the Others with Kate....

The trouble with the above is that we've seen it all before - everyone was pleased to see Sawyer when he came back from the raft disaster, and someone (Kate, I think) pointed out that everybody loved him now. And then he had Charlie whack Sun over the head and stole all the guns. He doesn't react well to people not thinking badly of him, so there's always the danger that he'll cycle back round to being the Sawyer of old.