"Damaged Goods"

[D-Roc]

Hmm..when Jate was walking through the jungle in search of Zeke and his merry men, Jack mentioned how he brought her along because they dont want her and neither do they want him..then Kate replied -"I guess were damaged goods".

Now im wondering, is there an underlying clue or pointer i that? We know from previous episodes that the 'Others' take the 'good people'..so is this why they havent taken Jack or Kate..because theyre 'damaged'? Also..does what Kate said imlpy that they are 'good'..just 'damaged goods' [if you follow me?], which could imply that they [Jack/Kate] used fall under the others criteria of 'good' but not anymore?

Hmm

[Original]

Very interesting point there.

If it is a link, about the fact they were good previously (very hard to believe in kate's case) then maybe there actions on the island dissapointed the 'others'.

Especially in Jack's case, because he is not 'open' to the island, and doesn't believe in fate, which in the 'others' eyes, would make him bad.

[E Pluribus Unum]

It could also be a link toward how 'pure' someone is - and that would come full circle back to the 'children' theory

Nice double meaning though!

[lost-lover]

A good point there, if, like you say, it has a deeper meaning, maybe it's not that there actions are good (in kate's case her criminal past, in jack's his possible drink problem and inability to let go or fail), but they are good at heart and have good intentions now they are on the island, but still can't deal with their problems, which could make them damaged goods. i haven't worded this very well but i'm hoping you can understand my point.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Original,September 03, 2006 07:36 pm

Very interesting point there.

If it is a link, about the fact they were good previously (very hard to believe in kate's case) then maybe there actions on the island dissapointed the 'others'.

Especially in Jack's case, because he is not 'open' to the island, and doesn't believe in fate, which in the 'others' eyes, would make him bad.

Why thankyou Orig'

yeah, thats the nthing - have they done something whilst on the island that has made them 'damaged' in their view of the others...or were they damaged by their pre-island choices/events?

I could think of several island Kate decisions/choices that would make her be viewed as damaged. Although to be fair we still dont know for sure what the Others' interpretation of 'good' is.

At the moment [if this theory is true] I would say that it was their pre-island choices/lives that has made them potentially be viewed as good but damaged goods in the eyes of the others. Because the likes of Kate have done a fair few bad things in her time. Although why then would they be brought to the island in the first place? So this suggests that perhaps they still had a chance to redeem themsleves [start afresh] whilst on the island but that they have continued to stick to their old ways - Jack not letting go..and Kate running away?

If this is the case then it really would promote the island ethos [or prehaps importance?] of taking your second chance..



interesting stuff.

[hundredand8]

Damaged goods. Nice double meaning.

I took it at face value. She was referring to the fact that last time they met The Others did not try to keep her. So since the "customer" did not want the goods last time, then there is something the "customer" doesn't like about the goods.

Oh, and I do think she was only referring to herself, not Jack. But my last time to confirm that in a while was yesterday, and I didn't watch.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by hundredand8,September 04, 2006 06:42 pm

Damaged goods. Nice double meaning.

I took it at face value. She was referring to the fact that last time they met The Others did not try to keep her. So since the "customer" did not want the goods last time, then there is something the "customer" doesn't like about the goods.

Oh, and I do think she was only referring to herself, not Jack. But my last time to confirm that in a while was yesterday, and I didn't watch.

I 'think' she was referring to both of them because didnt she say:

"I guess were damaged goods" ..though i'll have to check on that one.

[Sawyer_Rocks]

Well, one wise man once told me, nobody is born evil, but the influences of life make them good or evil. People are born harmless.

What I'm trying to say is Kate used to be a sweet little girl who dug timecapsules with her childhood sweetheart, but ended up killing him and a bunch of other blokes. Whereas Jack used to be the cute boy who stood up for his friend in a fight, even though he knew he'd have his face punched in, who ended up as a power-crazed leader of a group who had ratted on his father, which led to his death.

What I'm saying is their lives have been "damaged" since when they were young. Hope it makes sense

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Sawyer_Rocks,September 04, 2006 08:22 pm

Well, one wise man once told me, nobody is born evil, but the influences of life make them good or evil. People are born harmless.

What I'm trying to say is Kate used to be a sweet little girl who dug timecapsules with her childhood sweetheart, but ended up killing him and a bunch of other blokes. Whereas Jack used to be the cute boy who stood up for his friend in a fight, even though he knew he'd have his face punched in, who ended up as a power-crazed leader of a group who had ratted on his father, which led to his death.

What I'm saying is their lives have been "damaged" since when they were young. Hope it makes sense

Yes that makes perfect sense.

This brings us back to the concept of 'Tabula Rasa' and how peoples environments shape and change them. Children however are more pure..more undamaged [if you will]..and so if theyre taken away from one environment to a new one they are easier to mould, to change. This is perhaps 'one' of the reasons why the others take lots of kids...since adults are 'harder' to change/mould/shape.

I guess the likes of Jack and Kate [in the eyes of the others, 'maybe'] are too unchageable?..since theyve come to the island they have shown that they cant let go or abandon their pre-island ways at all. Which makes me think that all those who were 'brought' to the island had the potential to change..but maybe the others think that only a few have?..such as the kids [obvioulsy] and those who Goodwin's crew took.

[Sawyer_Rocks]

That might just explain why they're so obsessed with children. And I also heard that Nazi's liked to test children and twin's for scientific purposes. I'm not refering to any Dharma Nazi's (although that would be an AMAZING twist), but maybe they are similar, and really are testing the children.

[hundredand8]

Originally Posted by Sawyer_Rocks,September 04, 2006 07:38 pm

That might just explain why they're so obsessed with children. And I also heard that Nazi's liked to test children and twin's for scientific purposes. I'm not refering to any Dharma Nazi's (although that would be an AMAZING twist), but maybe they are similar, and really are testing the children.

That wouldn't be an amazing twist.

That would be a sad cliche cum stereotype.

(Now thats enough for tonight of words I barely know how to spell). :P

Oh, here's another two:

Supercalifragilistic. Expialligoric!

[Sawyer_Rocks]

I'd like to think that Mr. Paik is Hanso's dad, or something like that!

[TheDharmaShark]

Originally Posted by Sawyer_Rocks,September 04, 2006 08:46 pm

I'd like to think that Mr. Paik is Hanso's dad, or something like that!

But wouldn't Paik and Hanso be the same age?

[Nickeshi]

Originally Posted by TheDharmaShark,September 04, 2006 08:50 pm

But wouldn't Paik and Hanso be the same age?

And that would make Hanso Sun's brother lol

[TheDharmaShark]

Now that would be just too confusing!