Did Locke know Boone would Fall?

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Murg said:

who, at that time, was to say that Bloodied Boone wasn't a result of Locke's failing to carry out the requirements of the dream?

After I read that I've been thinking (oh ohh) abit more about the whole situation..

What if the vision Locke had has been TOTALLY interpreted wrong here? We now presume that it was always meant for Boone to go up, but what if we're wrong (noo). What if 'the island' removed Lockes ability to walk, not to stop him from climbing, but to test him?

Locke has lived by the motto 'don't tell me what I can't do' pretty much ever since he lost the use of his legs (presumably). The Walkabout is a prime example of this; Locke wanted to do this even though he couldn't walk. What if the island was giving Locke this exact chance, to complete his destiny, by remove his ability to walk..?

I put it to you (the jury lol) that if Locke had managed to climb the plane (or maybe just the mountain area next to it) the plane would not have fell and Locke would have seen the pearl (and thusly, completing his destiny) however, after wrongly interpreting the dream and losing the ability to walk as a sign that Boone must go up, he was thusly 'punished' - covering the pearl/his destiny and killing his (closest?) friend, Boone...

It doesn't really change much, per-se but it does possibly explain why everything that happened (being conned by the Swan) actually happened. Perhaps it was one big 'punishment' bestowed on Locke for wrongly interpreting this whole sequence of events.

Or, alternatively, not

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Originally Posted by KoR-evo,January 08, 2007 01:13 pm

Im not sure the island would demand Paulo ..does the island even know he exists!? :P

I think the island cr@pped him out of it's backside... :P

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Originally Posted by E PLURIBUS UNUM,January 08, 2007 07:21 pm

Murg said:

After I read that I've been thinking (oh ohh) abit more about the whole situation..

What if the vision Locke had has been TOTALLY interpreted wrong here? We now presume that it was always meant for Boone to go up, but what if we're wrong (noo). What if 'the island' removed Lockes ability to walk, not to stop him from climbing, but to test him?

Locke has lived by the motto 'don't tell me what I can't do' pretty much ever since he lost the use of his legs (presumably). The Walkabout is a prime example of this; Locke wanted to do this even though he couldn't walk. What if the island was giving Locke this exact chance, to complete his destiny, by remove his ability to walk..?

I put it to you (the jury lol) that if Locke had managed to climb the plane (or maybe just the mountain area next to it) the plane would not have fell and Locke would have seen the pearl (and thusly, completing his destiny) however, after wrongly interpreting the dream and losing the ability to walk as a sign that Boone must go up, he was thusly 'punished' - covering the pearl/his destiny and killing his (closest?) friend, Boone...

It doesn't really change much, per-se but it does possibly explain why everything that happened (being conned by the Swan) actually happened. Perhaps it was one big 'punishment' bestowed on Locke for wrongly interpreting this whole sequence of events.

Or, alternatively, not

Very nice theory man.

But how was Locke supposed to interpret the dream though, I'm confused. Are you saying he was supposed to realise Boone was definitely going to get hurt and so nobody should've gone up into the plane. I.e. they were supposed to simply climb the mountain and see the "?" of circle?

I'm not sure why the island took away the use of his legs if it wanted him to find the Pearl [or Observation hatch]. I think there are several forces at work here, one that wanted him to find the Pearl/Observation hatch and one that didn't want him to.

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Originally Posted by St. Anger (o'_'o),January 09, 2007 02:44 pm

Very nice theory man.

But how was Locke supposed to interpret the dream though, I'm confused.  Are you saying he was supposed to realise Boone was definitely going to get hurt and so nobody should've gone up into the plane.  I.e. they were supposed to simply climb the mountain and see the "?" of circle?

Well people are arguing that he should interpreted the dream in the way that Boone may have been hurt in Locke's quest, all I've done is turned it on it's head. Like the island was showing him what was going to happen if Locke hadn't followed 'his' destiny. So the vision was say "this is what will happen if you do not complete your destiny"

Originally Posted by St. Anger (o'_'o),January 09, 2007 02:44 pm

I'm not sure why the island took away the use of his legs if it wanted him to find the Pearl [or Observation hatch].  I think there are several forces at work here, one that wanted him to find the Pearl/Observation hatch and one that didn't want him to.

Perhaps there are two, but when has the island ever 'gave' anything, without asking for something in return? Granted, perhaps it traded Boones life, but for what? The Swan? But that doesn't make sense - why not show Locke the pearl first, then the Swan - the events would have been the same but a lot quicker. But perhaps that's it, perhaps there are two opposing forces (like you say) one that wanted Locke to push the button for eternity, and one that wanted him to blow the darn thing up...

As with the beauty of lost, it would be impossible to see which 'force' is good and which is evil, even though we've probably seen both at work on numerous occasions!

By the way, I have a tendency to strongly argue my case even when I don't necessarily believe it! (like this topic) - However I do think there are 2 'entities' - perhaps someone/thing is playing Smokey - perhaps there are two 'users'

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Originally Posted by E PLURIBUS UNUM,January 09, 2007 06:07 pm

Well people are arguing that he should interpreted the dream in the way that Boone may have been hurt in Locke's quest, all I've done is turned it on it's head. Like the island was showing him what was going to happen if Locke hadn't followed 'his' destiny. So the vision was say "this is what will happen if you do not complete your destiny"

Perhaps there are two, but when has the island ever 'gave' anything, without asking for something in return? Granted, perhaps it traded Boones life, but for what? The Swan? But that doesn't make sense - why not show Locke the pearl first, then the Swan - the events would have been the same but a lot quicker. But perhaps that's it, perhaps there are two opposing forces (like you say) one that wanted Locke to push the button for eternity, and one that wanted him to blow the darn thing up...

As with the beauty of lost, it would be impossible to see which 'force' is good and which is evil, even though we've probably seen both at work on numerous occasions!

By the way, I have a tendency to strongly argue my case even when I don't necessarily believe it! (like this topic) - However I do think there are 2 'entities' - perhaps someone/thing is playing Smokey - perhaps there are two 'users'

So Locke knew he had to go into the plane...otherwise Boone would be hurt, right. I think one of the forces was possibly protecting Locke from death, hence why his legs failed.

I guess had Locke seen the Pearl, he wouldn't have followed the whole-button pushing thing. So it seems one force has beaten the other in getting Locke to go into the Swan. I'm guessing the force that created Locke's Teresa-Boone dream was the force that wanted Locke to go in the Pearl first...

Hmmm it may not even be good and evil,...it may just be two forces that have needs and objectives. But it still could be good and evil.

Hmmm, well the BS does seem to be rather fluctuated in terms of it's decisions which could mean a human being is controlling it, hence why the BS's decisions are often unexplainable and not always constant, if you know what I mean. The human being is having changes of heart and changes his/her plan in terms of what he/she wants the BS to accomplish.