The NEED to SMACK Sayid

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Lostie,March 17, 2007 05:05 pm

I don't think Sayid deserves anything but a pat on the back. He has saved the Losties on more than one occasion, and how can you expect him to set the same standards for his own people and people who have captured, killed and threatened his?

Why do folks always say that the Others have killed his people (the losties)? We havent seen any proof of such a thing..not one lostie has been deffo killed by an Other - even Nathens death is becoming more and more shrouded in mystery (was he an Other Other..aka a threat to the tailies?).

I certainly dont believe Sayid deserves a pat on the back..it's not so much the fact that hes getting these things right, but it's the way in which he assumes everyone who he doesnt know inside out is a threat to him. This kind of suspicion is borderline xenophobia (shocking i know)..either that or the man has some other serious issues. It's time he went down..it's time he was made to feel like how poor Amira was made to feel at his brutish hands. How dar ehe harm a woman..what kind of 'man' is this which people are putting up on a pedastol

Down with Jarrah!

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Originally Posted by KoR-evo,March 17, 2007 04:13 pm

Because even smart and intelligent men like Locke and Jack follow his lead (more fool them). Sayid should set an example and do the right thing for once..not just take the option which gets him what he wants, but the option which is actually 'good'.

And for all he knows Jack wont want to leave heaven..i mean Othersville. Since when did Sayid become so invested in the safety and welfare of Jack

I think he's just trying toget all his people back together again.
He's a very determined man and will do a lot to get where he wants to be.
It doesn't really matter about what is 'good', what matters is that he gets it done, its too much of a risk to do everything right.

[Murgatroyd]

Originally Posted by KoR-evo,March 17, 2007 05:22 pm

Why do folks always say that the Others have killed his people (the losties)? We havent seen any proof of such a thing..not one lostie has been deffo killed by an Other - even Nathens death is becoming more and more shrouded in mystery (was he an Other Other..aka a threat to the tailies?).

What exactly has made that interpretation of Nathan more likely of late? I still don't see it.

Sayid - eh, he's pretty much lost to me now. I still enjoy his episodes, but he was lost to me when he went back on his vow for no reason other than because he believed Rousseau, and it's sheer luck that he was right. I don't want to smack him though, because I feel sorry for him as well. I particularly feel sorry for him in his backstories. Soldiers like him are often doing what they do because they've been brutalised, conditioned to accept that torture is somehow reasonable and, more often than not, because if they disobey there's a threat hanging over their families. While agreeing to torture even under those circumstances can hardly be praised, it's the big guns who ought to be taking the major flak. And to get over all that and move on for a time was an amazing feat. So it's his having gone back on what he knew to be a morally correct decision - not to torture anymore now he's grown beyond the need to - that I really abhor.

[Blloydy]

Originally Posted by KoR-evo,March 17, 2007 05:22 pm

I don't think Sayid deserves anything but a pat on the back. He has saved the Losties on more than one occasion, and how can you expect him to set the same standards for his own people and people who have captured, killed and threatened his?

Why do folks always say that the Others have killed his people (the losties)? We havent seen any proof of such a thing..not one lostie has been deffo killed by an Other - even Nathens death is becoming more and more shrouded in mystery (was he an Other Other..aka a threat to the tailies?).

I certainly dont believe Sayid deserves a pat on the back..it's not so much the fact that hes getting these things right, but it's the way in which he assumes everyone who he doesnt know inside out is a threat to him. This kind of suspicion is borderline xenophobia (shocking i know)..either that or the man has some other serious issues. It's time he went down..it's time he was made to feel like how poor Amira was made to feel at his brutish hands. How dar ehe harm a woman..what kind of 'man' is this which people are putting up on a pedastol

Down with Jarrah! [/quote]
Ethan hung Charlie, almost killing him - he ment to kill him and this is just as bad. The others killed Scott/Steve, they whispered in the jungle, manipulating the lostie's fears and it resulted in Shannons death. We don't know that Nathan was a lostie, but it defintly shows the others are capable of terrible things. And Goodwin attempted to kill Ana Lu Lu, when she worked out he was one of them.

If Sayid wasn't cautious of unknown people, many Losties would be bound to die. He needs to be vigilant and this is in no way an obsession/phobia, he is doing what he has to, to protect the Losties. How could anyone expect him to not be suspicious of people who are not his, it's not like there are lots of little towns on the island. As far as we and he knows, it's Losties, Others and Danielle.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by -x-madegurl-x-,March 17, 2007 05:25 pm

I think he's just trying toget all his people back together again.
He's a very determined man and will do a lot to get where he wants to be.
It doesn't really matter about what is 'good', what matters is that he gets it done, its too much of a risk to do everything right.

Well maybe, im not saying your view of his motives is wrong ..it's just that i think he's a very unlikeable guy right now..and he does things which are just so wrong. I dont agree with his general mindset really..infact i dislike it muchly.

The man needs to treat 'Others' how he'd like to be treated

..and anyway, it's Johns mission to bring the fam back together..not Mr Loner Sayid again, when did he care so much?

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Originally Posted by KoR-evo,March 17, 2007 04:38 pm

Well maybe, im not saying your view of his motives is wrong ..it's just that i think he's a very unlikeable guy right now..and he does things which are just so wrong. I dont agree with his general mindset really..infact i dislike it muchly.

The man needs to treat 'Others' how he'd like to be treated

..and anyway, it's Johns mission to bring the fam back together..not Mr Loner Sayid again, when did he care so much?

but why is it boralocke's job anymore than it is Sayid's?

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Murgatroyd,March 17, 2007 05:31 pm

What exactly has made that interpretation of Nathan more likely of late? I still don't see it.

Sayid - eh, he's pretty much lost to me now. I still enjoy his episodes, but he was lost to me when he went back on his vow for no reason other than because he believed Rousseau, and it's sheer luck that he was right. I don't want to smack him though, because I feel sorry for him as well. I particularly feel sorry for him in his backstories. Soldiers like him are often doing what they do because they've been brutalised, conditioned to accept that torture is somehow reasonable and, more often than not, because if they disobey there's a threat hanging over their families. While agreeing to torture even under those circumstances can hardly be praised, it's the big guns who ought to be taking the major flak. And to get over all that and move on for a time was an amazing feat. So it's his having gone back on what he knew to be a morally correct decision - not to torture anymore now he's grown beyond the need to - that I really abhor.

Well I think that the lastest episode (Enter 77) throws a bit more plausibility to the whole Nathen being an other Other thing. because we know there are "hostiles"..and seeing as Mikky is one of Bens Others (imo) and that he said he didnt lie about any of the other stuff, then it's likely that there are actual "hostiles" out there..and perhaps..perhaps Nathen (as myself and others have long said) was one of them..

Yes, i agree with you about enjoying Jarrahs episodes..theyre fab and as Abb's (i think) said somewhere, the season normally hots up when his eppy's come around.

And yes, you're right to mention his life experience as a soldier and how this may have affected and shaped him as a person..and as you also mention it's the fact that he (certainly in my view) has consciously regressed..almost as a way of self protection, yes, but then this is also at the cost of others peoples feelings, jaws and lives..and i too abhor this...it's plain selfish of him and intolerant.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by -x-madegurl-x-,March 17, 2007 05:41 pm

but why is it boralocke's job anymore than it is Sayid's?

Because Boone..or the 'island' told him to in a vision

Plus Locke is special..Sayid is..well, not

[Murgatroyd]

Originally Posted by KoR-evo,March 17, 2007 05:45 pm

Well I think that the lastest episode (Enter 77) throws a bit more plausibility to the whole Nathen being an other Other thing. because we know there are "hostiles"..and seeing as Mikky is one of Bens Others (imo) and that he said he didnt lie about any of the other stuff, then it's likely that there are actual "hostiles" out there..and perhaps..perhaps Nathen (as myself and others have long said) was one of them..

Wasn't Mikhail just referring to his own people, namely the Others, when he spoke of the Hostiles? I thought he was doing that to make his Dharma persona convincing... that's what Marvin Candle refers to them as, so that's the term a Dharma minion would be expected to use. I believe he referred to a Dharma v. Hostiles war, and he's not Dharma... that makes him one of the 'Hostiles'. We don't yet know what they choose to refer to themselves as - seemingly whatever's most useful at the time. I don't see how this makes their being a third group more likely.

[Him]

I will give Sayid leeway, mainly because of his rather accurate intuition even if he's becoming smug like Jack with every passing moment.

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Originally Posted by KoR-evo,March 17, 2007 04:46 pm