Soldiering on..?

[D-Roc]

What with Sayid becoming a pivital character once more i was wondering, is he struggling with the death of Shannon more that Shannon struggled with the death of Boone? And if so does this perhaps tell us something about Shannon, Sayid or even Boone?

[hundredand8]

I voted "its hard to tell" because I think his obsession with Henry Gale is partly to take revenge for Shannons death, but also because he is falling back into the "them and us" attitude he was brought up with in the Republican Guard. And it helps him not think about it. In other words, I think right now its likely he hardly thinks of Shannon at all.

[*SP*]

I disagree entirely with your last sentence hundred. I think he probably thinks about Shannon an awful lot. Not only because in terms of real time it's only, what, a few days since she died. But I think it's reflected in his actions and reactions. Although he has always been a fairly solemn character he did often have moments of humour and light heartedness, yet now he won't break into a smile at all. I don't blame him. His reactions to Henry are very emotionally driven. I think he is acting much like Jack in many ways in this respect. Unable to see the bigger picture with any clarity. While there is obviously a great need to attempt to find out the truth about Henry I don't feel Sayid would have reacted with the same intensity if it weren't linked to Shannon dying. I'm going to vote that it affected him more than Boone's death affected Shannon. I think they are very different situations. Shannon obviously felt a loss and perhaps it made her appreciate Boone more but I doubt the sense of loss was as significant as Sayid's. Think of how close Shannon and Sayid became. How he put his belief in her re Walt and taking such a leap when he must have had conflicting emotions about 'betraying' Nadia. To take such a huge step and have it blow up in his face (literally ) must be hard to take.

[kirsty290182]

I voted about the same, but now iv'e been thinking about it he may miss her more, or he is just not coping as well as she did. Remember, when Boone died, Shannon had Sayid to cling on to and to help her through, wheras Sayid held her in his arms as she died, has to live with the person who shot her and has nobody for him to help him through. I think i would be reacting the same way to be honest.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by hundredand8,Aug 22 2006, 18:14 PM

I voted "its hard to tell" because I think his obsession with Henry Gale is partly to take revenge for Shannons death, but also because he is falling back into the "them and us" attitude he was brought up with in the Republican Guard. And it helps him not think about it. In other words, I think right now its likely he hardly thinks of Shannon at all.

I tend to agree with SP on the basis that Sayid thinks about Shannon an awful lot and that his actions towards Henry are perhaps [imo] 90% driven by her death. Personally i think he's doing all of his Henry bashing less for his people and more for his anguish, which on some levels is understandable but on moral basis is just dispicable. Has Sayid ever stoppped to think that Henry is a mere lacky and that he wasnt directly responsible for the 'collision'? Just because Henry 'may be' one of 'them' ..i just wish Sayid would see the madness of his actions..

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by kirsty290182,Aug 22 2006, 20:32 PM

Remember, when Boone died, Shannon had Sayid to cling on to and to help her through, wheras Sayid held her in his arms as she died, has to live with the person who shot her and has nobody for him to help him through.

Yeah thats a good point. Who has Sayid got to help him through? I suppose this makes me even more sympathetic to his situation..but at the same time im still mostly sympathising with HG. Who wouldve thought, huh.

[Ché]

I voted that he is struggling more with Shannon's death than with Shannon's loss of Boone as after a few episodes and the closer she got to Sayid she seemed to forget (well maybe not forget but you get the gist of what I'm saying).

However, I think his struggle is completely internal and he is trying to fight it as Sayid is (was) a soldier and he will have been trained to not let emotions get in the way of his mission (which will be, right now, either survival or getting off the island i presume).

He was a torturer apparently, so I think that what he did to 'Henry' was purely to get answers. It may have been discussed elsewhere but I'm not sure what rank of soldier he was, does anyone know? I only faintly remember the flashbacks of Sayid in season 1 but he seemed fairly respected before he fell for that woman and let her escape (can't remember her name). I think he is fighting an emotional battle inside and not letting love get in the way of his personal mission.

All that being said, he could just be letting his grief out on 'Henry' :P

[Nickeshi]

Originally Posted by Ché,Aug 27 2006, 20:52 PM

He was a torturer apparently, so I think that what he did to 'Henry' was purely to get answers. It may have been discussed elsewhere but I'm not sure what rank of soldier he was, does anyone know? I only faintly remember the flashbacks of Sayid in season 1 but he seemed fairly respected before he fell for that woman and let her escape (can't remember her name). I think he is fighting an emotional battle inside and not letting love get in the way of his personal mission.

All that being said, he could just be letting his grief out on 'Henry'  :P

I think he was a communications officer in the iraqi republic guard and then he was promoted to inteligance officer and then got captured by the americans and the turned him into a torturer when he had to torture tariq.
the girls name was nadia

[Kiowa Warrior]

I think that Sayid is coping a lot worse with Shannon's death than Shannon coped with Boone's.

That's a good point from Kirsty that Shannon had Sayid, but Sayid has no-one close to lean on now. And now that Sayid has taken to battering Henry and wanting to put a bullet in him, I don't think he's endearing himself to a lot of people. Some may think his actions against Henry (although awful) were necessary, but I can't see anyone coming forward to closely support him. Which is a bit of a shame really, since Sayid is clearly still grieving and he doesn't have the emotional support he needs at a time like this.

However saying that I can't really feel much sympathy for him myself, given the way he is so effortlessly willing to torture and kill somone. It's not good Sayid.

[The_abbott]

I mean I'm surprised Kate has not offered support but then I would not expect her too the selfish cow or Rose as she must know hopw Sayid feels yet I have never seen them do a scene together.

THe only other person that showed grief over Shannons death was Jack as maybe he thought he failed her. But hes not likely to hug Sayid is he.

Nobody else saw the kinder side to Shannon so to most of them they were glad to see the back of the little madam.

[Jord06]

How can Sayid be struggling more than Shannon?

Shannons brother died (who she knew for a very long time and loved for a very long time). Sayid lost a girl he knew for a month and had only fallen for 20 days earlier.

How on earth can Sayid's loss be worse?

[kirsty290182]

Originally Posted by Jord06,Aug 29 2006, 13:17 PM

How can Sayid be struggling more than Shannon?

Shannons brother died (who she knew for a very long time and loved for a very long time). Sayid lost a girl he knew for a month and had only fallen for 20 days earlier.

How on earth can Sayid's loss be worse?

Not full brother...she slept with him remember! And she didn't love him in that way but Boone LOVED her. Also, it may have been a short while, but it aws very intence and i think what they had was real...

[Verix]

I'm with Ki.

I don't think the two can really be compared as they are coping so differently. Shannon (so i remember) morned in a more conventionally accaptable way, however Sayid has become angry and all his actions recently have been fueled by her death. I think sometime in S3 we'll see him mourn her in a more 'healthy' way.

[haelle03]

i LOVE Shannon and all, but i think Sayid struggled more. He actually almost killed someone because of it! Although...She almost killed locke....hmmm its a toughy!

I love both characters anyway!

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by haelle03,November 06, 2006 08:49 pm

Although...She almost killed locke....

Yeah, lest we forget Perhaps Shannon isnt such a great loss afterall