Ben or Jules - Who's the Most Terrifying?

[D-Roc]

In the Season 3 DVD Bonus Michael Emerson made reference to Juliet being the most frightening Other and Elizabeth Mitchell made reference to Ben being the most frightening Other.

So, who IS the most scary of their two characters? Personally I agree with M.E. - Juliet is the most terrifying imo because she is able to shut off her emotions in order to allow herself to believe that killing Pickett (for example) is the right thing to do.. Yet the next minute she's smiling and all lovey dovey as if nothing has happened..

But what do you think..Ben or Jules?

[Easily confused]

I’d say Juliet as Ben isn’t terrifying he is just plain old creepy

[Murgatroyd]

Well, in my opinion she killed Pickett because she thought it was what she had to do to prevent Pickett's killing Sawyer and Kate, not because she'd flicked her morality switch to 'off'. Ben's decisions to murder or to incite murder - Bonnie, Greta, Charlie, Ben's father, Anthony Cooper, Locke - have been much, much more calculated and taken in much less immediately desperate situations (twice purely vengeful in the shape of his father and Locke... and goodness knows why, in particular, he wanted Anthony Cooper dead before Locke could join his little gang). I actually find that degree of ruthless, detached plotting a lot scarier than the violence of someone who finds themselves capable of killing a man who's about to kill two other people.

Also Ben, apparently in all seriousness, thinks that brainwashing boys is an acceptable form of imposed contraception. That's scary ....

EDIT. And primarily this is just proving that the actors stick up for their characters. And their characters' consciences. Including William Mapother ... which is proper dedication for you.

[JB Sawyer]

EC that comment makes no sense to me at all.

Well it's painfully obvious who I'm voting for anyway but I should elaborate. Jules is terrifying in no way, shape or form. The killing of Pickett was to make sure that Sawyer, Kate and also Ben did not die. Had Sawyer and Kate not escaped, then Jack would have left Ben to die. Ben told her to let Sawyer and Kate off the island by any means necessary and Danny was unfortunately standing in the way of that. Would you have preferred she let Ben die KoR?

And if you vote against Jules because she can "flick her morality switch off", then I vote against Ben because he doesn't have one. We've seen him order murders, we've seen him kill his own father, we've seen him be a root cause of the homicide of an entire civilisation and we've seen him shoot a man and leave him in a grave without even wavering. That is terrifying.

[D-Roc]

But it could be argued that she flicked off her moral switch in order to murder her friend..most people wouldn't be able to do that. She wanted a way out of the Others, just like Ben wanted a way out of Dharma, except her reasoning was far more unjustified (imo) than a young and abused Ben. I think it's fairly interesting to consider Juliet's 'motivation' for betraying her own people. Of course Ben 'helped' purge Dharma, but I would argue that his reasoning was far more alturistic and for the greater number, than Juliets 'every woman for herself' routine. She wants off the island, she doesn't care about anything or anyone else With this in mind I find her to be a very terrifying character, because she does it all under the cloak of 'innocence'. I think she's very duplicitous and has a very unnatural way of going about things. I mean, look at the whole Kate thing bac in the jungle..look at how she treated Jack like a child and is now helping him to raise an army..she's the one to watch out for. Who's to say she wont do a deal with the freighterites and leave the Losties in a stew

JB - I wouldn't have liked her to let Ben die, but then her 'killing' Danny had nothing to do with Ben..she killed him for her own ends..so that she could keep Ben sweet, whilst ensuring that she had allies within camp Lostie. She could easily have shot Danny in the leg or something (she's a doctor and could've tended to the wound so he wouldn't die)..but she went for the execution..

Yes, ben can be ambiguous, but he's working for the greater good, the good of the island and he's also protecting a secret which needs protecting. Who or what is Jules working for? She's working for getting her own behind off "craphole island", that's what :P

[Matt Gogi]

Well from what I've heard, and only from what I've heard, I wouldn't consider either of them to be terrifying as such... But I'll vote Ben. Yeah, like JB said, Jules killed somone, to save other people, people she didn't have to save, and although she killed "one of her own" (even though she didn't like being an Other), it wasn't in cold blood... Ben has killed people in cold blood, but I still wouldn't consider him to be "terrifying"... but he is the worst out of the two.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Matt Gogi

Well from what I've heard, and only from what I've heard, I wouldn't consider either of them to be terrifying as such... But I'll vote Ben. Yeah, like JB said, Jules killed somone, to save other people, people she didn't have to save, and although she killed "one of her own" (even though she didn't like being an Other), it wasn't in cold blood... Ben has killed people in cold blood, but I still wouldn't consider him to be "terrifying"... but he is the worst out of the two.

I think execution qualifies as 'cold blooded'..especially that of a colleague and friend.

[Matt Gogi]

Originally Posted by KoR-evo

I think execution qualifies as 'cold blooded'..especially that of a colleague and friend.

Lesser of two evils, perhaps?? I mean either she killed one person who maybe did or didn't deserve it, or he killed two or three who didn't deserve it?? (Remember I'm just clutching at straws coz I still haven't seen S3 :P)

[Murgatroyd]

Why do you think Pickett and Juliet were friends? (Slightly beside the point, but why would anyone even vaguley sane be friends with someone like Pickett...?)

[Him]

QED

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Matt Gogi

Lesser of two evils, perhaps?? I mean either she killed one person who maybe did or didn't deserve it, or he killed two or three who didn't deserve it?? (Remember I'm just clutching at straws coz I still haven't seen S3 :P)

But she had alternatives - she could've shot him in the leg or even held him off at gun point, but instead she murdered him..and the most crucial thing was her reaction afterwards...not a tear or a flicker of emotion or regret And where have we seen this before? Yup, after Sawyer murdered Tom..barely a string of concern etched on her face.

I do appreciate the fact that you haven't seen S3 yet, but I must contest that it was the lesser of two evils. Just my take on things

Originally Posted by Murg

Why do you think Pickett and Juliet were friends? (Slightly beside the point, but why would anyone even vaguley sane be friends with someone like Pickett...?)

He called her "Jules" and there were signs of a friendship there. At the very least they had built up a strong bond (perhaps formed by her friendship with his Colleen?). Well, I think Pickett's mindset was understandable due to the loss of his wife, inflicted upon him by Sun..it's hard to truly gauge Pickett becase we didn't get to see much of him before his wife was murdered. He would probably have still be a thug, but Tom's a thug yet we all love(d) him

Him: Great pic, LOL

[b-r-a-d]

Originally Posted by Him

QED

his eyes are scary!

and to answer the poll, Ben is the most terrifying! He just dosnt care about anyone and before anyone says he cares about Alex, he obviously dosnt as he kept her away from her own mother for 16 years by lies!

[JB Sawyer]

Originally Posted by KoR-evo

JB - I wouldn't have liked her to let Ben die, but then her 'killing' Danny had nothing to do with Ben..she killed him for her own ends..so that she could keep Ben sweet, whilst ensuring that she had allies within camp Lostie. She could easily have shot Danny in the leg or something (she's a doctor and could've tended to the wound so he wouldn't die)..but she went for the execution..

Erm..yes it did Ben told her that if she made sure she got Sawyer and Kate off the Island, thus ensuring that Ben stayed alive (Ben saving his own ass here), then Jules could finally go home. Ben was using Juliet in order to save his backside; a thought which actually makes him more terrifying And she's a fertility doctor by the way She needed to make sure that Sawyer and Kate escaped, that Ben lived as he instructed, and shooting Danny in the leg wouldn't have stopped him firing the gun.

Originally Posted by KoR

Yes, ben can be ambiguous, but he's working for the greater good, the good of the island and he's also protecting a secret which needs protecting. Who or what is Jules working for? She's working for getting her own behind off "craphole island", that's what :P

The very same "craphole island" that she's been kept on against her will, basically being held captive through blackmail and the threatening of her sister dying should she leave, by..oh look at that...Ben. Something which makes him a little more terrifying...

Originally Posted by KoR

But she had alternatives - she could've shot him in the leg or even held him off at gun point, but instead she murdered him..and the most crucial thing was her reaction afterwards...not a tear or a flicker of emotion or regret And where have we seen this before? Yup, after Sawyer murdered Tom..barely a string of concern etched on her face.

Screencap taken in the same scene that Jules shot Danny:

Maybe I'm just imagining it but that looks like emotion

Originally Posted by KoR

He called her "Jules" and there were signs of a friendship there. At the very least they had built up a strong bond (perhaps formed by her friendship with his Colleen?). Well, I think Pickett's mindset was understandable due to the loss of his wife, inflicted upon him by Sun..it's hard to truly gauge Pickett becase we didn't get to see much of him before his wife was murdered.

Have you seen the rest of the World Of The Others bonus feature? Where it is actually stated by EM (I think) that Juliet and Danny didn't really get on? Plus it's shown in The Glass Ballerina (before Cole's death) that Danny was a thug and a twit lol, due to his repeated random shockings of Sawyer and his insults towards both Sawyer and Kate; not to mention his forcing them to work and not being able to talk to each other