My Rewatch Thoughts

[KatesFate]

I have been doing my own little rewatch of Lost until season 5 starts so that I am completly up to date with everything and refreshed when the show does return.

Since there is not a lot of posting going on right now due to the extra long hiatus, I figured I would post my thoughts on each episode that I rewatch.

I happen to be on The Other 48 Days right now which is why I am starting with this one. Feel free to join in!


The Other 48 Days

I love the opening scene in this episode. The beach is calm and beautiful when out of nowhere a plane crashes and hey its the tail end! What is going on? The crash of the Tailies! Brilliant. I love that we got to see a shortened version of their back story.

Libby - Who is this girl? Knowing all that we know about her now its kind of strange when she tells Ana-Lucia that she is a clinical psychologist and we know she was in a mental institution at one point. There is so much more to this girl that we dont know about yet.

Ana-Lucia - She instantly falls into the role of leader just like Jack does. The difference is that she wants to lead. She could never let anyone else have that control. Jack does not want to lead but he is a natural at it and falls into it.

Best Line - You waited 40 days to talk? You waited 40 days to cry. Terrific scene

Other Thoughts - I liked this episode. I enjoyed getting a chance to see the tailies and what they had to go through immediatly after the crash. It added a lot more to their character development.
*I am surprised that Anna wanted to kill Goodwin instead of keeping him prisoner and making him talk. She is a cop after all. Maybe she was able to read him well enough to know that no matter what she did he woudnt talk. *The montage at the end where it all comes together was well done also. *Eko is still able to be mysterious no matter how many times I see his story. Its too bad he wasnt able to stick it out so that we could of seen exactly where that character could have gone.

Well thats it for this one. As I said, these are just my rewatch thoughts and some will be longer than others. Some may even be shorter.

Rewatch Value - 7

[Magnovey Phoenix]

Hi KatesFate. I want to join you on this thread, as this is one of my favorite episodes in the whole show.
They aired it today on my national television and I watched it. I so love it! But I feel so depressed after it, I don't know why. Maybe cos it's so dark in some freaky way. The aggression of Ana and secretive behavior of other survivors. Than attacks of the Others... They suffer a great shock, not like the ones on our famous beach.
And there are some valuable moments in the show. Like a teddy bear in that little boy's hands. Have we seen it before? Or the sound when tail of the plain hits the water.

10/10
Perfection! A real LOST episode - great story, great actors and acting, great music and magnificent atmosphere!

[KatesFate]

Hi KatesFate. I want to join you on this thread, as this is one of my favorite episodes in the whole show.

Hi Mag. Absolutely! Please do join me. Coincidentally, they just aired this episode here the day before yesterday, so we are only a day behind each other during the replaying of this. If you like we can post our rewatch thoughts together on each epsidode. It will give us something to do while we wait very impatiently for season 5 to begin. Although I may not have time to post on every episode, I will try to post on as many as I can.

But I feel so depressed after it, I don't know why. Maybe cos it's so dark in some freaky way.

You are right about this. This episode had an entirely different feel to it then any other episode up until this point. It was very dark and depressing. Why do you suppose that so many of the people who were in the tail section of the plane were considered "good" and put on Jacobs list and why nobody ever came for the Losties on the beach?

And there are some valuable moments in the show. Like a teddy bear in that little boy's hands. Have we seen it before?

We will see it in an upcoming episode when Eko helps Jin go after Michael. If you recall Eko and Jin are hiding in the jungle as The Others walk by and one of the children is dragging that teddy bear behind them.

Cheers! KsF

[KatesFate]

We will see it in an upcoming episode when Eko helps Jin go after Michael. If you recall Eko and Jin are hiding in the jungle as The Others walk by and one of the children is dragging that teddy bear behind them.

What I meant to say is that we saw this in a previous episode where the above happens. I think I should probably go to sleep now.

[TimeTravellingBunny]

I rewatched it today, too, and it's one of my favourites, too. One of the reasons is that it is so dark... there are no cheesy group scenes on the beach, set to ballady music. Just a harsh, terrifying reality.

Originally Posted by KatesFate

Why do you suppose that so many of the people who were in the tail section of the plane were considered "good" and put on Jacobs list and why nobody ever came for the Losties on the beach?

I happened to discuss this today on another forum. Here's a link to the thread: The Other 48 Days (season 2, ep. 7) - Spoilers - Science Fiction and Fantasy Forums by SF-Fandom

It's interesting that, out of 22 Tailies, 8 are now dead, just 1 is in the Beach Camp, and 13 of them is with the Others! It seems like the Others really did do them a favour by kidnapping them...

I've also realized that there are about as many, or (depending on what happened with Jin and the redshirts on Kahana, Zodiac, and a few others) maybe even more Oceanic 815 survivors who are now with the Others, than in the Beach Camp. See this thread.

[Magnovey Phoenix]

Originally Posted by KatesFate

Coincidentally, they just aired this episode here the day before yesterday, so we are only a day behind each other during the replaying of this. If you like we can post our rewatch thoughts together on each epsidode.

Excellent!!! So we can analyze every episode from now on! And we started with my favorite!

Originally Posted by KatesFate

You are right about this. This episode had an entirely different feel to it then any other episode up until this point. It was very dark and depressing.

Aham, I know. Maybe because of all the terror they suffered from the first day they crashed. I mean, those from the front section have only heard "monster" and that's all. But our survivors from the tail section... Very very disturbing episode. The suspension between characters, instability of some of them, and music are making this one one of the best episodes, that's for sure. It's like the whole episode is "Survivor show". Very very creepy episode.

Originally Posted by KatesFate

Why do you suppose that so many of the people who were in the tail section of the plane were considered "good" and put on Jacobs list and why nobody ever came for the Losties on the beach?

Jacob's list? Why do you think it's for Jacob and not for Others and some of their plans? Maybe it's fake list or who knows. Strange though... I haven't found any of them particulary good. I mean good as in good person. Or maybe it was just writers' idea. Since there were so many rumors about the "others" on the Island that they wanted to bring them a little bit closer and they used this episode for it. That is the suvivors from tail section.
And in the post of thet guy Augusts from that other forum, I don't think Others didn't wanted to go on the side of the Island where main losties are because of the Smoke monster. I mean Ben controls it. And I think Smoke could be anywhere he wants! Wouldn't have been amazing if they added a Smoke in this episode!!!

[TimeTravellingBunny]

Originally Posted by Magnovey Phoenix

Excellent!!! So we can analyze every episode from now on! And we started with my favorite!



Aham, I know. Maybe because of all the terror they suffered from the first day they crashed. I mean, those from the front section have only heard "monster" and that's all. But our survivors from the tail section... Very very disturbing episode. The suspension between characters, instability of some of them, and music are making this one one of the best episodes, that's for sure. It's like the whole episode is "Survivor show". Very very creepy episode.

Well... actually, Kate, Jack and Charlie did more than hear Smokey... they saw the pilot mangled and killed, presumably by it! Nothing that scary ever happened to the Tailies. They were targeted and kidnapped by the Others, and terrorized, in the literal sense of the word - because the actions of the Others put terror in the Tailies' minds. But, all in all, the funny thing is, they didn't suffer any more deaths at the hand of the Others than the Fuselage people did! Goodwin killed one Tailie (Nathan), and Ethan killed one Tailie (Scott) and tried to kill another, who nearly died (Charlie).

Originally Posted by Magnovey Phoenix

Jacob's list? Why do you think it's for Jacob and not for Others and some of their plans? Maybe it's fake list or who knows. Strange though... I haven't found any of them particulary good. I mean good as in good person. Or maybe it was just writers' idea. Since there were so many rumors about the "others" on the Island that they wanted to bring them a little bit closer and they used this episode for it. That is the suvivors from tail section.
And in the post of thet guy Augusts from that other forum, I don't think Others didn't wanted to go on the side of the Island where main losties are because of the Smoke monster. I mean Ben controls it. And I think Smoke could be anywhere he wants! Wouldn't have been amazing if they added a Smoke in this episode!!!

Well, I'm still not sure that they have fully explained Smokey in S4, because it just doesn't make too much sense. If it's just a mechanism controlled by the leader of the Others, how can it manifest itself as a smoke full of faces of people from Eko's past? Did it manifest itself to Eko as his brother, or not?
And, speaking about this, what exactly did Locke see?

Or is it all a retcon that didn't quite work?

As for the "good people"... we don't know yet what their definition of a "good person" is. We know that it's not based on whether a person has commited crimes or not. Apparently, Goodwin thought Ana might be a "good person". Maybe because she murdered a "bad man" back home. The Others certainly aren't squeamish about murder. For some reason, Ben likes to say "we're not killers", when they most certainly are, Ben himself more than anyone. And he actually enoucrages people to murder their bad fathers, which he himself has done. Which makes me wonder, why don't they think that Kate is a "good person"? Her original crime was exactly that! I would expect Ben to applaud her!

Is it Jacob's list... Well, it's hard to say, since we haven't seen Ben talk to Jacob about any of it, and we have no idea which of the things Others did were really Jacob's orders and which were things that Ben came up all by himself, hiding behind Jacob's authority to convince Others to obey!

[KatesFate]

I happened to discuss this today on another forum. Here's a link to the thread: The Other 48 Days (season 2, ep. 7) - Spoilers - Science Fiction and Fantasy Forums by SF-Fandom

It's interesting that, out of 22 Tailies, 8 are now dead, just 1 is in the Beach Camp, and 13 of them is with the Others! It seems like the Others really did do them a favour by kidnapping them...

I've also realized that there are about as many, or (depending on what happened with Jin and the redshirts on Kahana, Zodiac, and a few others) maybe even more Oceanic 815 survivors who are now with the Others, than in the Beach Camp. See this thread.

These are some interesting theories. I suppose it could be because the tailies were so much closer than the Losties. My question is, Goodwin was seemably never out of Ana-Lucias sight, so how was he able to report back to Ben about the people and who each one was? She seemed to know exactly how long Nathan had been gone for when he went to the bathroom. I do wonder though exactly why they took who they took and what they are doing now.

Jacob's list? Why do you think it's for Jacob and not for Others and some of their plans? Maybe it's fake list or who knows. Strange though... I haven't found any of them particulary good. I mean good as in good person. Or maybe it was just writers' idea. Since there were so many rumors about the "others" on the Island that they wanted to bring them a little bit closer and they used this episode for it. That is the suvivors from tail section.

I dont necessarily think it is Jacobs list. It just seems that everytime a list is made it has something to do with Jacobs demands. It could very well be a list that the others or Ben comprised of the people they thought could be easily controlled. Only time will tell.

In all honesty, the more I watch this episode, the more I believe that Libby may have been a spy for the others. Her demeanor and the questions she asks throughout the epi seem sort of odd. Also, she was very quick to agree with Ana about Nathan possibly being an other, which is odd. For a clinical psychologist you would think she would be able to read people better than that. It would also explain how and why she was in the mental institution and why she coincidentally had a boat for Desmond to use.

[TimeTravellingBunny]

Originally Posted by KatesFate

These are some interesting theories. I suppose it could be because the tailies were so much closer than the Losties. My question is, Goodwin was seemably never out of Ana-Lucias sight, so how was he able to report back to Ben about the people and who each one was? She seemed to know exactly how long Nathan had been gone for when he went to the bathroom. I do wonder though exactly why they took who they took and what they are doing now.



I dont necessarily think it is Jacobs list. It just seems that everytime a list is made it has something to do with Jacobs demands. It could very well be a list that the others or Ben comprised of the people they thought could be easily controlled. Only time will tell.

In all honesty, the more I watch this episode, the more I believe that Libby may have been a spy for the others. Her demeanor and the questions she asks throughout the epi seem sort of odd. Also, she was very quick to agree with Ana about Nathan possibly being an other, which is odd. For a clinical psychologist you would think she would be able to read people better than that. It would also explain how and why she was in the mental institution and why she coincidentally had a boat for Desmond to use.

Well, we didn't really see the details of the Tailies everyday's lives, the way we've seen the lives of the mid-section Losties, since we saw 48 days comrpised in one episode. I really doubt that Goodwin was really always near Ana. They just couldn't have all always been together, they must have separated at times to go look for food, take a bath in the sea (at least I hope they occasionally took a bath ), or, as Nathan put it, 'go to the toilet'. Or to dig a pit - Ana seemed to have been doing it all by herself. And, after all, Goodwin could always sneak out while others were sleeping, like he did when he went to deal with Nathan. The Others are adapt at sneaking through the jungle, Goodwin probably didn't have to go all the way to the Othersville.

Besides... I got the impression that Ana was suspicious of Nathan because he questioned her authority, and generally because he just rubbed her the wrong way. She was a terrible judge of character, as Libby observed. I also got the impression that she had a little thing for Goodwin, who was flirting with her from the start... It took her quite some time to start suspecting him, despite the weird things she noticed the very first night on the island.

Libby was quite suspicious, though. She obviously had a secret, but I'm not sure if she was an Other. Some people have speculated that she was connected to Dharma or to Widmore or whatever...

And some conspiracy theorists who believe that The Others had something to do with the plane crash (although I don't see how that can be possible, since it was Desmond who caused it) have also suspected Cindy as their plant on the plane, because she said she didn't remember Nathan being on the plane, and because she got integrated with the Others so quickly. I think it's a bit far-fetched... and maybe Cindy is just one of those amenable people who get easily brainwashed.

[Magnovey Phoenix]

Originally Posted by TimeTravellingBunny

Well, we didn't really see the details of the Tailies everyday's lives, the way we've seen the lives of the mid-section Losties, since we saw 48 days comrpised in one episode. I really doubt that Goodwin was really always near Ana. They just couldn't have all always been together, they must have separated at times to go look for food, take a bath in the sea

Yes I agree with your theory. I mean, they had to separate for the fruits and stuff. They've shown us only "selected scenes" from those 48 days. The most important ones for the story.

Originally Posted by TimeTravellingBunny

Libby ... Some people have speculated that she was connected to Dharma or to Widmore or whatever...

It was meeee! In some other post I remember.

But I doubt that Libby had anything to do with the Others. I mean, how did she end up on the flight at all!!! Why was she traveling? From where and to who? Libby Libby... You give us quite hard time!