What if Mike did it on impulse?

[kirsty290182]

Originally Posted by Hooting Heck,September 07, 2006 12:01 am

Nah, leave it. The correction is the same as an edit. Besides, didn't you ever hear of unconscious creation, Freudian slips, all that ?


Meanwhile, back at the ranch...

I blame Locke. If Locke had told Jack that Ana Lucia's head injury was because Henry tried to kill her, Jack would never have left Ana Lucia alone (apart from an unconscious Michael) in the Swan.

"Jack, there's something I should tell you". He even admitted it!

I think if it was Micheals "mission" to kill Ana then, even if it wasn't then he would have found a way...i don't think it is anyones fault...

[Hooting Heck]

Originally Posted by Him,September 07, 2006 12:04 am

I never saw that one coming!

Imagine MY surprise!

[Snowy~Owl]

I still think it was a life for a life. Michael was told to kill Ana or his son would be killed. If I was in that situation I would most probably do the same thing. He also had the opportunity to place the blame at Henry's feet and not carry the can for his actions himself. Did he intend to blame Henry all along or was that just spur of the moment?

[D-Roc]

I still think that both options are possible - a specific mission from the others..or an opportunistic plan by Michael himself. Though i would also still lean towards the former.

Anyway..so if we assume that the others specifically gave Mike the mission to murder Ana+set Henry free etc, then that means he was playing possum..pretending to be unconcious all that time? What a devious so and so! I would agree with Mantis in that he hasnt been brainwashed..he clearly showed remorse at what he did..although he quickly composed himself after murdering the 2 women.

I also still think that Mike didnt have to kill Ana...if he was clever he couldve thought of a plan.

[Murgatroyd]

Rewatching it, I felt that Michael looked genuinely surprised and not a bit pensive to discover than an Other was being held in the armoury, which makes me lean towards the impulse option. Except that his gun had been taken and he can't have spent all that time alone in the jungle glancing briefly at the tents, so I do think he'd spent some time in the captivity of the Others and was sent back with some sort of mission in mind. It's also a bit of a gamble to assume that staging a double murder with Henry as the culprit would definitely lead to all-out war, or that all-out war is really the best way to retrieve Walt.

As to what would've prompted Michael to act so out of character - bearing in mind that he was pretty much losing it over the course of this season - I can't imagine anything other than Walt's life being at stake. If it's merely that Walt is being held captive and Michael doesn't know anything about his fate or whether or not he's in danger but just wants him back, I'd be more surprised, and rather more shocked.

[D-Roc]

What if it's not Walt who Mike's doing this for ..unlikely i know, but just a thought

[Murgatroyd]

Originally Posted by KoRevo,September 07, 2006 09:11 am

What if it's not Walt who Mike's doing this for ..unlikely i know, but just a thought

I doubt he's doing it because he believes Ana Lucia should be dead though... he expressed his remorse even before he killed her, so it had to be something he desperately didn't want to do but felt he had to all the same. He didn't seem to feel he was doing something righteous, as Henry would've felt had he been the one to murder Ana Lucia. I suppose there's always the option of his believing she had the sickness - the reason Rousseau killed 16 people and feels herself to be in the right - but I don't see any indication of it.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Murgatroyd,September 07, 2006 10:14 am

I doubt he's doing it because he believes Ana Lucia should be dead though... he expressed his remorse even before he killed her, so it had to be something he desperately didn't want to do but felt he had to all the same. He didn't seem to feel he was doing something righteous, as Henry would've felt had he been the one to murder Ana Lucia. I suppose there's always the option of his believing she had the sickness - the reason Rousseau killed 16 people and feels herself to be in the right - but I don't see any indication of it.

Sorry, what i meant was - what if he's not doing it for Walt but for the 'greater good' of the survivors? Perhaps if he didnt specifially kill Ana and set 'HG' free then they all would die [or maybe thats what he was told]?

It might have something to do with the sickness though.

I just want there to be another dimension to his motives..that would make me feel alot better towards him. Though, i agree, it does seem Walt's safety was the only motivation Mike wouldve needed.

[Murgatroyd]

Originally Posted by KoRevo,September 07, 2006 09:25 am

Sorry, what i meant was - what if he's not doing it for Walt but for the 'greater good' of the survivors? Perhaps if he didnt specifially kill Ana and set 'HG' free then they all would die [or maybe thats what he was told]?

It might have something to do with the sickness though.

I just want there to be another dimension to his motives..that would make me feel alot better towards him. Though, i agree, it does seem Walt's safety was the only motivation Mike wouldve needed.

Oh yes, I see. I still reckon explaining whatever he'd been told to do to his companions would've been the better option. Someone could've thought of a way around it - and actually, if it'd been a case of Ana Lucia or all of them, I think he would've given them that decision to work around. If it was Walt though, I can see him being so terrified of the consequences of his companions' choosing to do anything other than what he'd been told to do that he'd prefer not to take the risk.

[lost-lover]

Originally Posted by Murgatroyd,September 07, 2006 09:28 am

I still reckon explaining whatever he'd been told to do to his companions would've been the better option. Someone could've thought of a way around it.

Yes if he'd been told to do it, then telling jack and everyone else would have been his better option, unless of course he really believed the others would return walt, doubtful i know but as we've seen in his state of mind, he could've have been thinking anything. Maybe he was thinking "I have to deal with this alone" just like he told jack before he took off after the others in the first place, aloan streak of independence which may have cost him his son, like it may have cost Ana and Libby their lives...

[Sawyer_Rocks]

1. What if Micheal has the sickness? He's been all over the island if it's still about he MUST HAVE caught it!

2. We remember him when Walt was 2. Next time we see him is in 8 years. That's 8 years we don't know about him. Is he really a construction person? Well, he DID build the raft but it couldn't withstand the explosion! And still he could have been up to something else?

3. What if he knows Walt is dead or not on the island? Maybe the war lost_lover was on about is revenge.

[Mantis Zero]

Originally Posted by Sawyer_Rocks,September 07, 2006 09:19 pm

1. What if Micheal has the sickness? He's been all over the island if it's still about he MUST HAVE caught it!

2. We remember him when Walt was 2. Next time we see him is in 8 years. That's 8 years we don't know about him. Is he really a construction person? Well, he DID build the raft but it couldn't withstand the explosion! And still he could have been up to something else?

3. What if he knows Walt is dead or not on the island? Maybe the war lost_lover was on about is revenge.

1. I dont think there actually is a sickness. I think its more to do with the visions / cerberus than being ill and if it is out of control like people have suggested then the vaccine may prevent it from making them go crazy seeing dead people and imaginary friends.

2. I'd like to see a raft made of bamboo and bits of a crashed plane that can withstand being blown up I do agree though we dont know much about Michael's life really do we? Maybe the writers feel its not important but theres ample room to give him interesting non Walt related flashbacks and I dont see why he shouldnt.

3. If Walt was dead I dont think Michael would have even come back, let alone helped the others by killing their mortal enemy and releasing their captured man. Also I got the impression from Henry that the others were also stuck on the island, their boat can only travel short distances so they cant get very far away from their island prison.

[Sawyer_Rocks]

What if the others are the decendents of the people on the Black Rock? Or tthey were planewrecked? That would explain a lot. But doesn't explain why they blew up the raft. That was just mean

But maybe they don't want to be discovered, or they were crash survivours who fell in love with the island.

[lost-lover]

Maybe some of the Others (or all of them) are Dharma workers, probably not the case i know, but think about it, Ethan was one, plus when Kate, Claire and Danielle went into that hatch they found Mr Beardy's costume and the glue and everything, maybe the rest of the Others are Dharma workers too.

[E Pluribus Unum]

Originally Posted by lost-lover,September 08, 2006 05:46 pm

Maybe some of the Others (or all of them) are Dharma workers, probably not the case i know, but think about it, Ethan was one, plus when Kate, Claire and Danielle went into that hatch they found Mr Beardy's costume and the glue and everything, maybe the rest of the Others are Dharma workers too.

That's all presuming of course, that they aren't a medical 'group' who just so happened to stumble across a hatch like our lot