What is Mike gonna do next?

[D-Roc]

I know weve touched on what we think may happen next eg - Jack going mad and marching off, gun in hand to the others camp etc.

But if this is a plan..which seems likely, then doesnt Michael have to covertly direct the losties into the others lair/trap? And hows he gonna do this with [i assume] a bullet logged halfway through his arm?

So, is he just going to wait in the hatch whilst the losties use the directions he gives them [Oo could have another map on the cards :P ]? Or is he going to somehow 'tag along' and play an active role in the presumed trap?

Also..what if whilst Jack and the A-team are off in a revenge mission to the Dark Territory or wherever and then the Others [or a group of them] sneak into the losties camp/hatch and snatch up the likes of Aaron. Claire. Sun, Rose and Bernie!??

I sure hope they leave a Scott [or is it Steve?] or a Sawyer to protect the camp!

*all speculation of course*

Any thoughts?

[Mantis Zero]

Well the dont want Claire and Bernie so they are safe :P

I think he will lead them there anyway with his injury, its not hard to believe (for us or the losties) that Michael would still go after Walt with one arm. I think his orders are to return with the people on the "list" and since Walt is with the others he would have to go with them if he wanted to see him again.

[Murgatroyd]

It's an interesting question and I suppose it all depends on what precisely Michael's mission was. If it was to kill Ana Lucia and/or to free Henry, he's already carried it out and presumably thinks he merely has to wait for his reward (in which case he's more than slightly deluded). Whatever the plan was, I assume it included his shooting himself in the shoulder, so Michael and his co-conspiritors must've known that his role from that point on would be limited. Perhaps it's something he can carry out merely by telling people what to do. He's already got Jack and Locke fired up to go on a mission to what he claims is the Others' camp (and that I suspect is infinitely better guarded than he implied)... perhaps that's all he needed to do.

It's so weird talking about Michael and the Others as a team. The interesting thing about it is that we know what's driving Michael - the loss of Walt's - and it's a very human cause, and though it doesn't even begin to excuse his actions, he still appears human to us. The Others frequently appear sub-human, but if they're revealed to have similarly human motivations, it could make a very marginal difference to our perceptions of them... though frankly I don't see how they can ever make their random neck-snapping combined with protestations that they're good people seem justified.

[E Pluribus Unum]

Oh interesting, it's like we get to play battle general

Well, I think Jack, Hugo (!), Sayid, Kate [against Jacks wishes - doh], Mike and a few redshirts may go with them... (surely some of the redshirts have had gun experience?)

I don't think Locke will go - Sawyer and not sure about. I think since Mike only shot himself in the left shoulder [and he's a righty, if memory serves] he will tag along. I agree as well. I think it's a trap - either to spilt the team up and catch Locke - or to trap the 'away team' and use them as a bargaining chip for John again...

I know we're discussing the 'power struggle' on another thread. But I think if Jack is led into a trap it could be the making of JL.

It will be interesting, I know some people aren't sure if Libby is dead - which will prove [yet another] ethical choice for Jack

And of course it would make sense for Mike to go where ever his doctor is - Sawyer-like

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Mantis Zero,September 03, 2006 01:16 pm

Well the dont want Claire and Bernie so they are safe :P

I think he will lead them there anyway with his injury, its not hard to believe (for us or the losties) that Michael would still go after Walt with one arm. I think his orders are to return with the people on the "list" and since Walt is with the others he would have to go with them if he wanted to see him again.

Haha, true..Claire and Bernie arent 'good people'

Yeah, I can actually see Mike still going out there..it would take more than that to stop him from getting his boy back!

I can see it now..once the Others spring them and surround them..Zeke's going to reveal that Mike was helping them and then induct Micheal into the 'others' group and Jack's face will be an absolute picture!

I just can't imagine there not being bloodshed. Im sure our losties will take out a few random Others but i fear for the likes of Sawyer and Sayid. Both characters for me have little [or less] value now in terms of 'redemption'..one of the key elements of the show. Ok, Sawyer will always have his lady fans [and so will Sayid i'd imagine]..but i reckon now could be the perfect time to remove them and add to whats sure to be an amazing and shocking finale!

Im just speculating btw..i just have a 'feeling' that Sayid especially 'may' get killed. [probably wrong as im sure both he and Sawyer have so much more to be revealed about them..but then again i wouldve thought the same for Ana and Libby ]

[Murgatroyd]

If Zeke does reveal Michael's involvement, Michael probably is going to be faced with the option of joining the Others on a promise of sanctuary or committing suicide: I can't see his own group simply taking him back in and attempting to rehabilite him after that. They've not really gone in for charity over self-preservation of late... in this case, it's fairly easy to see why.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Murgatroyd,September 03, 2006 01:20 pm

It's an interesting question and I suppose it all depends on what precisely Michael's mission was. If it was to kill Ana Lucia and/or to free Henry, he's already carried it out and presumably thinks he merely has to wait for his reward (in which case he's more than slightly deluded). Whatever the plan was, I assume it included his shooting himself in the shoulder, so Michael and his co-conspiritors must've known that his role from that point on would be limited. Perhaps it's something he can carry out merely by telling people what to do. He's already got Jack and Locke fired up to go on a mission to what he claims is the Others' camp (and that I suspect is infinitely better guarded than he implied)... perhaps that's all he needed to do.

It's so weird talking about Michael and the Others as a team. The interesting thing about it is that we know what's driving Michael - the loss of Walt's - and it's a very human cause, and though it doesn't even begin to excuse his actions, he still appears human to us. The Others frequently appear sub-human, but if they're revealed to have similarly human motivations, it could make a very marginal difference to our perceptions of them... though frankly I don't see how they can ever make their random neck-snapping combined with protestations that they're good people seem justified.

Hmm, interesting - i wonder if an alternative plan is to wait behind in the hatch whilst 'Team Jack' head off into the jungle so that he can do something involvong the button or computer? He could do that with one arm.. Though i would still lean towards him tagging along.

It's true..it's very weird thinking of Michael as 'one fo them'..he was probaly one of the last people i thought i would ever see in that way..especially since the raft incident! I guess like Locke said - us or them.."it's all relative". Proof that crossing the line is sometimes out of necessity rather than choice.

I agree - if it turned out that these others had a 'human' motivation then it would change our perceptions on them somewhat. Ive actually thought for a while now that they DO have a human story..i felt that ever since Ethan was still with us. I just it will be revealed in time. I think that both groups in fact have a common enemy..it's just that the losties cant see thebigger picture. In fact didnt Henry allude to this when he said something along the lines of: "You people..youre so convinced that were your enemies" and when he was talking about Goodwin to Ana, inferring that Goodwin wasnt going to hurt her/them.

These Others do seem to be the aggressors..or the enemy right now..and with due justification since theyve blown the losties up and snapped thier necks ..but i have a feeling that theres a bigger cat in the Jungle than the Others..

*just theory btw - i suppose thats what i 'want' to happen, lol*

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by E PLURIBUS UNUM,September 03, 2006 01:20 pm

I think it's a trap - either to spilt the team up and catch Locke - or to trap the 'away team'  and use them as a bargaining chip for John again...

This reminded me - Locke and Walt were lieterally best of friends in S1..and yet Locke has barely even mentioned him and he certianly hasnt shown any desire to get him back. This wouldve been unthinkable back in S1..they were so inseperable!

Now, im thinking..is there a reason for this. I did once harbour thoughts that Locke 'knew' that young Walt would be ok. But Henry's speech to Locke about "I was coming for you, John" seems to have confirmed that our Locke is in no way a mole or informant and that he has no knowledge of where Walt is etc.

So..could the 'others' plan be to reunite Locke and Walt? I do have a thoery that Locke and Walt are in fact related due to both of them being created/hybridised with a similar experimental procedure [at different times, obviously].

It certianly seems that the plan was to always induct Locke [and Walt]..only Ethan screwing up with the list seeminlgy prevented this form happening earlier.

Hmm, i wonder if Locke will have to make a choice.. us..or them..? More importantly, I wonder who he'd choose?

[E Pluribus Unum]

Oh interesting. That puts the 'why did they take Walt' question back into consideration. Could it be to seperate him from Mike? Mike was very 'against' Walt and Lockes relationship and perhaps 'the others' seperated Mike and Walt only so that Locke could be reunited with him and he could continue his 'training'

In respect to the 'us or them' question, I think he'd willingly sacrifice himself to be exchanged for anyone (weather it be Walt [which I highly doubt] or if Jack and co are caught and used as a trade) - for the pure and simple fact of being curious. After all, this is what all of this boils down to. Would 'the island' need to give Locke a vision to entice him into coming willingly? I don't think he would need any convincing - just think back to Exodus when he was being dragged down a big black hole [curious they never returned to that hole, it could lead somewhere - y'know, interesting]

[Nickeshi]

I don't think that they'll go off in search of the others straight away, although Jack normally does run off all guns blazing i think they'll wait and bury Ana and Libby assuming Libby is dead and get michael better and then plan the attack on the others with michaelas he is the only one who knows where they are going, and then probably attack the epsiode afterwards.

[~Alice~]

Originally Posted by KoRevo,September 03, 2006 12:25 pm

I just can't imagine there not being bloodshed. Im sure our losties will take out a  few random Others but i fear for the likes of Sawyer and Sayid. Both characters for me have little [or less] value now in terms of 'redemption'..one of the key elements of the show. Ok, Sawyer will always have his lady fans [and so will Sayid i'd imagine]..but i reckon now could be the perfect time to remove them and add to whats sure to be an amazing and shocking finale!

KoR, how could you say such a thing!?
Suggesting that my Sawyer might... might...
I wouldn't be able to bear it if anything happened to him... I won't let anything happen to him...

I don't think Jack will be dashing out straight away, not without bandaging Michael's arm. And if there's a chance Libby is still alive he'll need to look after her. But then again, he does like to see himself as an action man.

What scares me more is that Sawyer might take the chance for his own personal revenge whilst Jack is busy... he might get the information from Mike... it seems like the kind of thing he might do, especially in the heat of the Ana-is-dead moment :supr:

[Mantis Zero]

I personally think the next episode will centre of the events that just happened, they will bury the bodies, Hurley will cry, Locke will be fearing for his safety after what Henry said and as he has visitations from his former friends Mike will spend the episode wavering from his former self to an out of character evil genius when nobodys looking to leave us hanging on what hes really up to and then in the episode after they will go off to war setting us up for an action packed finale.

[Nickeshi]

A bit of topic but i didn't think it was worth a knew thread on monday. Who's flashback does everyone think it will be, because if it goes in order of who was after Ana last time, we could be in danger of a kate episode although it has been about 20 eps since michaels flashback in adrift and now he's back that seems like how it would go.

[Murgatroyd]

Originally Posted by Nickeshi,September 05, 2006 03:50 pm

A bit of topic but i didn't think it was worth a knew thread on monday. Who's flashback does everyone think it will be, because if it goes in order of who was after Ana last time, we could be in danger of a kate episode although it has been about 20 eps since michaels flashback in adrift and now he's back that seems like how it would go.

I'm hoping for a Maternity Leave style Michael flashback that reveals what he was up to during his little solo adventure, because I can't see that there's anything significant left in his pre-island backstory. Sadly, I think it's probably too soon to reveal that mystery unless - as does kind of seem likely - it's highly relevant to the season finale.

[Pynch]

Originally Posted by KoRevo,September 03, 2006 01:14 pm

So..could the 'others' plan be to reunite Locke and Walt?

Maybe Walt has made his own list??

After being taken, he's been told what the Others are doing, and why they're doing it, and he's been taught about the good and bad people.....

and he misses his friend Locke - so he tells the Others they've got to have him on the list.....