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Ben: Island Saviour
Ben: Island Saviour
D-Roc
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04-10-2008
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As a long-time "Henry Gale" and Benjamin Linus fan, I've endured alot of flack from those who oppose him and his methods. It's been a hard road, but it seems that the road has become one of hope and optimism for all those, whom like myself, want to see Ben vindicated and accepted by Lost fans as someone who fought the good fight.

Season 3 ended with a promise from Ben - whilst tied to tree he fortold of great peril to come, he mentioned that 'the beginning of the end' was what awaited those who wanted off the island before their time was due.
As it turned out, 6 got off..well, eight, if we include Michael and Walt. We've peeked into the future and seen that each of these people, with the possible exception of Kate and Aaron have, have gone on the regret leaving the island.

"You have to go back".."You have work to do"..these are two of the most frequent messages from the island..an island which is not only calling them back, but summoning them to return. With this in mind Season 4 part 1 has delivered a vital score in Ben's corner. He was right about what would happen if Jack made that call, and he was right about the Freighties - for whom rescue 'isn't their primary objective'.

These words issued by the loveable Daniel Faraday, of all people, set the stage for what is a very real and very immediate war. A War which The Others have been waging for years, in the hope of protecting the island - a sentient being which is, seemingly, unable to protect itself. No wonder Ben is over-protective, no wonder he didn't want to let the Losties leave, and no wonder he is the way he is.

In general, people often have a skewed view of good v bad - what Ben has proven is that being a good guy is relative to the type of war you're fighting. Good men have done bad things in the past because the nature of the 'other side' is bad to the core. So the 'greater good' becomes not only a viable, but a necessary philosophy. This is politics and war which is not attached to some pseudo belief or make-beleive justice, but in the context of the show it is about the very survival of the most magical and special place on earth (and possible the survival of the earth itself).

Who wouldn't want to protect that..who wouldn't do whatever he could to keep such a sanctuary safe from those who desire it only for monetary and immoral reasons?

I sense that when all is said and done, Ben will be the person standing between the island and absolute destruction. I'm (still) proud to call myself a Benaholic.
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By monster-eats-pilot on 04-10-2008, 07:48 PM
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three words: Oh bloody hell

[I'll contribute properly later ]
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By Kiowa Warrior on 04-11-2008, 06:24 PM
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Yes very true Roco - Ben may not be the typical 'good' guy and his methods and actions may also be rightly questioned and looked down upon, but at heart - what drives him - is not just something personal but is for what he truly believes to be a greater good. He is at war with someone/something, and terrible actions are committed by each side in a war, so although some of Ben's actions may rightly be looked down upon, his motivations in general cannot be shot down so easily.

Just because Ben doesn't come across as a typical 'good' guy a lot of the time, doesn't mean that must be more of a 'bad' one.
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By firebreathingfishies on 04-11-2008, 06:32 PM
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I don't understand Ben, because if what he was doing really was for the greater good and all that jazz, then why doesn't he just explain himself. I mean, god he'll save himself a hell of a lot of trouble, and if he's not doing anything wrong then he won't have to worry about backlash.

I'm convinced he's just 80% selfish... I haven't decided on what the other 20% is yet
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By D-Roc on 04-12-2008, 06:24 PM
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Yes very true Roco - Ben may not be the typical 'good' guy and his methods and actions may also be rightly questioned and looked down upon, but at heart - what drives him - is not just something personal but is for what he truly believes to be a greater good. He is at war with someone/something, and terrible actions are committed by each side in a war, so although some of Ben's actions may rightly be looked down upon, his motivations in general cannot be shot down so easily.

Just because Ben doesn't come across as a typical 'good' guy a lot of the time, doesn't mean that must be more of a 'bad' one.
Exactly Ki, I hate it when Ben's actions are generalised or only taken at face value. His actions are connected with protecting the island and until we discover otherwise, it's unfair to muddy his name without first looking at the bigger picture.

I think that as Lost fans we have to realise that protecting the island really does mean protecting the island at all costs...and yet Ben does what he can to limit the damage to 'innocents'. I think that shows compassion and humanity, and whilst not all of his actions are wholly moral, when is war ever wholly moral? Sometimes good people have to get their hands dirty too. Fortunately for the island, Ben is prepared to make that sacrifice.

Again, not saying he's without sin, but then he's not casting any stones either..Widmore is.
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By D-Roc on 04-12-2008, 06:40 PM
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I don't understand Ben, because if what he was doing really was for the greater good and all that jazz, then why doesn't he just explain himself. I mean, god he'll save himself a hell of a lot of trouble, and if he's not doing anything wrong then he won't have to worry about backlash.

I'm convinced he's just 80% selfish... I haven't decided on what the other 20% is yet
I think Season 4 has gone some way to answering why Ben doesn't tell all to all and sundry - both the fact that people are looking for the island and the time-travel element suggest the need for both secrecy and the constant need to protect information from those who do not need to know..until they need to know it..

It's a difficult premise to explain, but consider this island..a place where if you knew something before you experienced it, it would change your path..perhaps even create a paradox and result in island course correction and death.

Now what if there are things which the losties are not "supposed" to know until the laws which govern fate deem it 'time'? A computer game operates under the same laws - the player will not meet it's challenge until it is on the corresponding 'level' - to experience future information and knowledge before that time would be..well.."cheating".

Whilst i'm not suggesting that this is the only reason for Ben to be so secret, the nature of the island and the ability to time-travel and potentially alter (if not 'change') the course of the future, is one which must surely be guarded against.

There's also the fact that the Losties do not understand the island and the game they are involved in (especially back in past seasons) - to even try to explain and rationalise such things to people who are not "connected" and who are not "capable" of understanding is surely futile, if not a very big gamble to take..

Then there's also the logical aspect - for Ben and the Others, "this is our island", and no wonder they take this defensive attitude - they have the likes of Widmore's in hot pursuit to plunder and abuse this special place..this hub of time and space. Their desire to protect the island is one which is fully understandable..they feel a responsibility for the island..just like John Locke now does:

"I'm the one responsible for the well-being of this island.."

If John can feel this way after 3 months..imagine how protective Ben and the Others feel after 25+ years (and longer, in the case of the Alpert's of this world)..

The Losties are wild-cards in the game of Chess and Battleships - their presence on this island (however 'destined') can and probabaly will change the course of the game and for Ben it's absolutely paramount that he keeps his cards close to his chest until they are ready to make a "commitment to the island".

(IMHO)

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By firebreathingfishies on 04-12-2008, 07:11 PM
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I get all of that, and I am slowly coming around to the idea that Ben is not the big bad guy that he's been made out to be (by some of the episodes and some opinion) but it just seems that he could have saved a lot of bother for himself. I bet if he'd explained things to Jack the way he had (apparently) explained things to Cindy and co., perhaps Jack wouldn't have called the frieghties in the first place. Okay they might not understand, but at least of of them would be able to get the gist of it if Cindy and the kids did.
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By D-Roc on 04-19-2008, 09:33 PM
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Good point re: cindy, but i'm guessing that even she hasn't bee filled in with everything that Ben knows - I'm guessing that she's just gone with the flow kinda thing, and taken more on good faith.

I just don't think that Ben has been 'allowed' to reveal very much to Jack and the Losties, because there could be a good reason why..

For instance, Alex once asked him why he didn't just let the Losties go..and Ben exclaims: "I CAN'T!"

That suggests that Ben either can't because he's not allowed to, or because doing so would jeapordise the island, the world, time and space, or something very important. I get the feeling that time may be on a loop, and to tell people something they shouldn't yet know, could cause time itself to crash..

..or something..
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