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Who Picked The Oceanic Six?
Who Picked The Oceanic Six?
D-Roc
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04-02-2008
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So, we all know who the Oceanic Six are:

Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Aaron and Sun.

We also know that some of them (if not all of them) at somepoint desperately want to go back. But let us go back a moment and ask: Who Picked the Oceanic Six?


I think that this is a question which hasn't really been focused on since the season began, and no wonder, because as it stands it doesn't really make much sense. After all, we have Hurley and Aaron from Camp Locke, Jack, Kate and Sun from Team Jack, and of course Sayid who is currently in neither camp, as he is on-board the freighter.

The logistics of the (presumably) immenent departure from the island is an odd one. Just how will these various people from various parts of the island and surrounding areas come to be on that one 'lucky' group that ends up off the island?

Can we consider that the Island itself selects who stays and who goes? After all, it's been revealed that the island can have a hold over those who it brings to the island, and those who leave it's sandy shores. So perhaps the island 'allows' these people to leave - perhaps via the 'magic box' that Ben spoke of? This would perhaps mean that Ben is the one who makes this happen, since the island often needs 'human players' to do it's will. Or perhaps the decision to let six..those six leave the island is the decision of Benjamin "I always have a plan" Linus, himself? Is this his way of fulfilling his promise to Jack? ..of reminding Kate about the lesson he taught her during breakfast on the hydra island? ..of protecting an unborn child as he would want others to protect his child?

Compassion, or all part of the plan? Who knows when it comes to Ben, but I would have to think it would be a bit of both. He is a man with deep humanity and compassion - although he is not the easiest man to read - at the same time there is a clear war going on, and Ben would do anything to protect the island.

Perhaps another alternative is Jacob - maybe Jacob is repaying Hurley for seemingly setting him 'free' in The Beginning of the End? But that wouldn't explain why Jack, Kate, Sayid, Aaron and Sun have been let free..not many of them have ever been on any of his lists before.

A couple of weeks ago, during Ji Yeon, I presumed that the Freighties would be the ones to select who goes home and who remains on the island - Frank and Keamy were about to head back to the island for another 'assignment' - which, as it turns out seems to have had nothing to do with selecting six 815'ers to go home, but everything to do with capturing Ben and killing everyone else (ethics the Widmore way). This hasn't been proven yet, but seriously, Keamy and friends are surely the shooters.

So that leaves me with a final logical possibility for who chose the Oceanic Six - that is, the Oceanic Six themselves! Or at least one of them. Perhaps Hurley had made the decision as to who gets to 'go home'? Why not, he's feeling much more optimistic these days, he could handle the responsibility one would think. Furthermore we know that he ends up back in Santa Rosa, which suggests that he is feeling the guilt and negative effects of leaving the island more than most - certainly he's not far behind bearded Jack in that respect.

Now if it is Hurley (or whoever) who gets to choose, it's interesting to consider their thinking behind not only electing to 'save themselves', but in selecting those other five members. Sun and Aaron are self explanatory - but ommitting Claire is a baffling decision if ever their as one. Which alludes to the idea that Claire either dies at some point soon, she is made to stay on the island and asks Kate to give her son a 'normal' upbringing, or Hurley is really starting to resent Claire for not mourning Charlie's death properly. The choice (if it is a choice) to send Jack, Kate and Sayid home is also an intriguing one - why not Bernard and Rose, for example?

This is partly why i'm beginning to think that the choice was made by Kate - she wants off the island as much as anyone but is worried about the prospect of going to jail - does she therefore elect NOT to pick Claire, so that she can use Aaron as a sympathetic tool in front of the courts of America? It would make sense for her to choose Jack and NOT choosing Sawyer, since the wind is currently blowing in Jack's direction from Kate's perspective right now, especially after her and Sawyer's failed attempt at doing Taco Night. Would Kate choose Sayid? Why not, those two are often on the same page and she knows that he wants to get off the island. Kate would also choose Hugo, as those two have some sort of understanding. She would also defeintely choose Sun as they have developed a bond over the last few seasons, as well as sharing more than a few things in common. Obviously this would require Jin to die before Kate makes such a decision as I just can't see her seperating them like that.

So i'll go for Kate being the one to make the decision of who to take home, but it could be anyone and the method of selection is probably something totally unforseen.

Oh yeah, and then there's the WHY..why are only six 815'ers allowed home and WHY send anyone home in the first place. This once again would bring me back round to Ben being involved in the decision process..that beautiful man always has a plan.
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By harvey107 on 04-02-2008, 05:32 PM
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This is a good read and brings up some good points, just on the last question WHY I think Sayid could be the most obvious due to him now being a hitman for Ben. Ben could have allowed sayid to leave to do what Ben needs to be done.

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By D-Roc on 04-02-2008, 05:48 PM
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Cheers harvey (yup you're allowed to post here).

That's a good point - I was trying to think of a solid logical reasoning for Sayid being chosen to leave, and I think you may have nailed it - Ben plannig ahead..

It would fit his "I always have a plan" angle
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By Easily confused on 04-02-2008, 07:40 PM
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Well I am still not convinced that Sayid is one of the Oceanic 6 (I know he says he is but that doesn’t really mean very much does it) Jack, Hurley and Sun all appear to have returned to their previous lives as best they could whereas Sayid appears to have returned to the real world for a reason, to work for Ben. If Sayid has returned to work for Ben and the others haven’t then I would say he definitely isn’t one of the O6. If however Sayid is one of the O6 then I would say its Ben that chose who they are and would also say that Ben is the 6th person (pretending to be someone from flight 815)


Assuming that Sayid isn’t one of the O6 then I would guess

a) it was up to the losties themselves to decide who returns which would probably mean that Claire died prior to the O6 leaving the island; or

b) the O6 were the nearest people to the rescue mission and didn’t have time to make any choice other than be saved or not be saved and Kate happened to be looking after Aaron while Claire was having a swim or something
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By Easily confused on 04-03-2008, 08:40 AM
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Afterthought

there is also the chance the Oceanic 6 didn't actually all leave the island at the same time.
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By adamski999 on 04-03-2008, 11:20 AM
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not really sure if we can count Aaron as one of the oceanic 6
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By D-Roc on 04-03-2008, 05:31 PM
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Well I am still not convinced that Sayid is one of the Oceanic 6 (I know he says he is but that doesn’t really mean very much does it) Jack, Hurley and Sun all appear to have returned to their previous lives as best they could whereas Sayid appears to have returned to the real world for a reason, to work for Ben. If Sayid has returned to work for Ben and the others haven’t then I would say he definitely isn’t one of the O6. If however Sayid is one of the O6 then I would say its Ben that chose who they are and would also say that Ben is the 6th person (pretending to be someone from flight 815)
Hmm, I see where you're coming from but I think we've seen the Oceanic 6 - I don't think they would hold out on us or deceive us in that respect. Sayid working for Ben is probably a consequence of his leaving, or a consequence of his desire to make up for whatever mistake it is that he made, when he 'thought with his heart instead of his gun'.

In regards to the possibility of Ben pretending to be an 815'er and living life as a member of the Oceanic 6, wouldn't it make more sense for Sayid and not Ben to be one of the Oceanic 6? If we assume that Ben is one of the O6, then what does that make Sayid? The real world know that he's a survivor of 815, since the man he killed recognised his name. I don't see how Sayid working for Ben reduces his chances of being one of the O6? Also, who knows perhaps the others (Jack, Hurley etc) eventually go on to work for Ben..maybe the 'fishy-looking' Jack that we've seen in everyones flash-forwards is already working for Ben - and Ben's death (3.23) sends him over the edge because he knows that Ben was his key to one day getting back? Mere speculation of course, but i'd like think that the first pod of 8 episodes have revealed the O6 and that we can take it as canon.


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Assuming that Sayid isn’t one of the O6 then I would guess

a) it was up to the losties themselves to decide who returns which would probably mean that Claire died prior to the O6 leaving the island; or

b) the O6 were the nearest people to the rescue mission and didn’t have time to make any choice other than be saved or not be saved and Kate happened to be looking after Aaron while Claire was having a swim or something
I agree with you on 'A' (apart from the Sayid bit - as I think he is one of the Oceanic 6). It's likely that Claire died - or that she wasn't allowed to leave, yet Aaron was.. This seems like the decision of someone other than Claire (that is, the decision for her to remain on the island..although she may have successfully appealed for her baby to be let off..)

Not sure about 'B' - I'm thinking that the Oceanic 6 go home 'soon', and currently they are all scattered about the island in random places. How they will all converge at the time of 'rescue' is difficult to see. This is partly why i'm not so sure they do get 'rescued', rather that Ben 'magic-boxes' 6 of them home.

(although I sense some jest in your last point about Kate looking after Aaron whilst Claire is taking a swim)
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By D-Roc on 04-03-2008, 05:37 PM
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Afterthought

there is also the chance the Oceanic 6 didn't actually all leave the island at the same time.
Interesting thought..

I'm not sure we have much evidence to support the suggestion, but it's an interesting angle to consider.

I do think that would needlessly bog-down the story-line if we have to have 'indivdual' stories/episodes of each one of the 6 leaving, however.

I also think that this suggests that the O6 did all get off the island at the same time:

(From Ji Yeon):

Hurley: "Is anyone else coming?"

Sun: "No"

Hurley: "Gooood!"

Hurley asking if anyone else is coming to Jin's eulogy suggests that he was referring to the rest of the O6 - since he wouldn't know Sun's family or friends in Korea, and had just flown from the States (presumably), to see her and the baby.

I think little details like this tell us that they all left the island at the same time.

Still, what yoou said is something to consider.
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By D-Roc on 04-03-2008, 05:41 PM
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not really sure if we can count Aaron as one of the oceanic 6
Hmm, really?

He was on the flight when it crashed/went missing/landed. Surely he counts as a passenger (albeit a passenger within a passenger)?

If not Aaron, then who else would be the 6th member? Assuming that most of the real world (media etc) didn't know that Michael (and Walt) had returned a couple of months earlier, I can only see Aaron as being that sixth member..
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By Losty on 04-03-2008, 05:44 PM
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I think Claire's gonna be fine, I think she asked Kate to take Aaron, as noone was willing to stay on the island for Claire.

I don't know who chose them, if they were chosen at all. I just think it's about who got off the island and who didn't...couldn't or didn't want to leave.
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By charlierocks on 04-03-2008, 07:31 PM
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I think it must have been a choice between themselves. As it's common knowledge that Hurley can't keep secrets I don't think it would be anyone who doesn't want the truth to come out.
From the ones left, Sawyer, Locke, Rose(so Bernard too) and Ben wouldn't want to leave. I assume that something must happen to Claire as I can't see her giving up Aaron, unless the deal was he took the last place rather than her. I think Jin would put Sun first so sacrifice himself, he knows her Father can look after her and the baby.
The only ones I have doubts about are Des and Juliet, as they both had someone to go back to so I can't see why they wouldn't want to leave.
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By Easily confused on 04-04-2008, 04:28 PM
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In regards to the possibility of Ben pretending to be an 815'er and living life as a member of the Oceanic 6, wouldn't it make more sense for Sayid and not Ben to be one of the Oceanic 6?
What I am saying is that Ben and Sayid are in the same boat (so to speak) as in they are either both part of the O6 or neither of them are (I am working on the assumption that Aaron doesn’t count as one of the 6)

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The real world know that he's a survivor of 815, since the man he killed recognised his name.
my memory is a bit sketchy here but … I thought that man only reacted to the words “Oceanic Six”. The way the man reacted made me think he was reacting to the words not the person ie he didn’t know who Sayid was but he realised at the mention of O6 that he was in trouble. There must be a reason why Sayid shot him (a reason connected to the island/dharma/widemore) so if Sayid was O6 then the man should have recognised Sayid straight away not after Sayid mentioned O6.

Lets say for an example this man worked for Widemore would Widemore not want his people to be vigilant to who could possibly target them like someone working for Ben so therefore would have files and pictures to memorise of high profile people, as you would expect the O6 to be

But basically there was something about Sayids flashes that stood out as being different to all the other O6 flashes that I just don’t trust
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By D-Roc on 04-04-2008, 09:31 PM
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I think Claire's gonna be fine, I think she asked Kate to take Aaron, as noone was willing to stay on the island for Claire.

I don't know who chose them, if they were chosen at all. I just think it's about who got off the island and who didn't...couldn't or didn't want to leave.
Yeah, it seems likely that there were at least 3 sets of circumstances. As you point out the crucial aspect could be over those who wanted to leave but couldn't..and those who wanted to leave and could.
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By toosh on 04-05-2008, 09:08 PM
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Think Kate could have taken Aaron for her own gain,not sure how, but after her court hearing when she met jack,,he asked her to meet for coffee sometime and she said she could only do that when he had accepted the baby,maybe her reasons for having Aaron didnt sit too well with Jack so makes me think maybe at least in Jacks eyes all was not good there!!!!!
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By KatesFate on 04-06-2008, 05:48 AM
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If her reasons for having Aaron didn't sit well with Jack, why would he even bother asking her out? You would think that he would be pretty upset with her. I know how much Kate is hated, but I don't seriously think she would have taken that baby for her own gain. Especially since she was the one who wouldn't let her lawyer use him in court.
From what I've seen of the previews for epi 9, I think Hurley might of been watching Aaron for Claire when the freighties showed up and started killing people. Maybe he was able to escape with the baby and catch up to Jack and gang to eventually leave the island with them.
Also, who's to say that Juliet and Des don't get off of the island. They may be off of the island and just not considered a part of the Oceanic 6. Although, I imagine Des would be pretty famous for his own reasons. Juliet too for that matter.
What I want to know is when Ben is finally going to tell Jack that Claire is is half-sister. You know damn well he knows and is waiting for just the right time to hit Jack with the info.
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