Making head and tail of the map

[D-Roc]

Ok, I know theres already a [great] thread on this already..but I want to use this thread to really analyse and try to interpret the meaning behind the text/drawings on the map as I think this is a juicy area that we havent even begun to get our teeth into! Also, I could merge the two threads at a later date , if anything. :winky:

So, I'll begin shall I:

1. The map mentions the Cadaceus station [the medical hatch in Maternity Leave]..however they spelled it wrong..it's actually CADUCEUS [i believe?]..anyway..i suppose it shows that the people working in the Swan hatch arent necessarily experts in the fields of science that were being researched in the others hatches, which is quite realistic really.

2. The map also makes reference to the fact that the Caduceus hatch was "believed to be abandoned due to the AH/MDG incident of 1985 OR possible catostrophic malfunction of the CERBERUS system. This is very interesting because this tells usn that the medical hatch that Zeke and Ethan took Claire to had already been abadnoned at one point. SO was it still abandoned but they decided to use it to extract Aaron from Claire or had it been reinstated? Eitherway, it does appear to be abandoned once more..

Also..it mentioned the 'Cerubus' system possibly malfunctioning..now is this the Black Smoke/SS, like Mantis suggested? If so then did it go haywire? [is it STILL haywiring?], did it kill some of the scientists that worked there!!? So many juicy questions! :P

3. "Alledged location of the Flame [hatch]". I wonder what activity went on in here!? Eitherway it seems as if the author is not sure exactly were the Flame hatch is. Why is everything so covert? It seems that even amongst themselves the Dharma people didnt know much about the other stations/happenings on the island. This perhaps tells us that they are/were indeed pawns in all of this and perhaps when we ask the question are they good? ..we perhaps shouldnt judge them too harshly?

[Snowy~Owl]

Sorry KoR-evo, I didn't see this thread and I posted some of what you posted on here on the other Map thread. I didn't mean to duplicate you.

Anyway as some of what we say is similar, I'll copy my post over here too:-

Absolutely fascinating!!!

Something that I find really worrying is the amount of references to the underworld.

I seem to recall that the clock when in passed the countdown stage and threw up some pictures these translated as something to do with the Underworld.

Then we have lots of reference to Cerberus activity, which I assume they mean the security system.

'Primary nexus of cerberus related activity'
'Possible catastrophic malfunction of cerberus sytem'
'Alleged location of the Flame but unlikely due to cerberus activity'

The other interesting thing is that the medical centre is represented by a staff and named Caduceus. This is a symbol for medicine and based on planets and stars to heal the sick. It has the power to heal or harm. The staff has two snakes intertwined around it and some organisations join the snakes to suggest a DNA double-helix.
It suggests that there is not enough time to travel between the Swan hatch and the Staff hatch to operate the button/timer as it takes longer than 108 minutes. It also suggests that the hatch is abandoned due to an incident in 1985. Therefore, I assume that whoever wrote on the door is not aware that it was recently in use by Ethan, Beardie and co.

Is it possible that the map could have been drawn by someone before Desmond/Kelvin arrived. By a Dharma scientist or Hanso official?

Also lots of talk about the AH/MDG incident. I wonder what that is?

Edit: AH = Alvin Hanso?


Do you think the AH/MDG incident could be something to with Alvin Hanso? Perhaps he had a Major Disaster G..... incident?

[D-Roc]

No worries S~O its not duplication EDIT: i'll merge the two threads at a later date anyway

Some very interesting thoughts there..i will add more soon..i just need to anaylse this fantastic map somemore! :niceone:

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Snowy~Owl,Aug 18 2006, 16:15 PM

Absolutely fascinating!!!

Something that I find really worrying is the amount of references to the underworld.

I seem to recall that the clock when in passed the countdown stage and threw up some pictures these translated as something to do with the Underworld.

Then we have lots of reference to Cerberus activity, which I assume they mean the security system.

'Primary nexus of cerberus related activity'
'Possible catastrophic malfunction of cerberus sytem'
'Alleged location of the Flame but unlikely due to cerberus activity'

The other interesting thing is that the medical centre is represented by a staff and named Caduceus. This is a symbol for medicine and based on planets and stars to heal the sick. It has the power to heal or harm. The staff has two snakes intertwined around it and some organisations join the snakes to suggest a DNA double-helix.
It suggests that there is not enough time to travel between the Swan hatch and the Staff hatch to operate the button/timer as it takes longer than 108 minutes. It also suggests that the hatch is abandoned due to an incident in 1985. Therefore, I assume that whoever wrote on the door is not aware that it was recently in use by Ethan, Beardie and co.

Is it possible that the map could have been drawn by someone before Desmond/Kelvin arrived. By a Dharma scientist or Hanso official?

Also lots of talk about the AH/MDG incident. I wonder what that is?

Edit: AH = Alvin Hanso?


Do you think the AH/MDG incident could be something to with Alvin Hanso?* Perhaps he had a Major Disaster G..... incident?

It's so interesting isnt it! I love stuff like this.

Yeah, there ar ea few references to the underworld and hell etc.. since science is literally a religion these days i wonder whether some form of science-based 'hell' has been created?

The Caduceis symbol is indeed an interesting one partly because [as im sure you know] it is actually used in real life by health servies throught the world. The symbolic reference of having the power to heal or two harm is also interesting..again, it takes us back to the power of the 'Gods' scenario.. I remember Henry mentioning something about martyrs and prophets..i know that slightly different but i wonder how far Henry's spirituality goes..?

Good point about there not being enough time to travel between the flame and swna hatches.. ..so does this mean it was attempted by someone from the hatch?

As for AH/MDG..it could well be reference to Alver Hanso..need to give that somemore thought!

It makes reference to there being "5 fatalities", possibly involving scientists from the Swan hatch..perhaps something to do with this 'incident' that suposedly happened in 1985.

..and an Intranet shutdown.. ..so is this [one of the reasons] why they took walt..to communicate to another hatch somewhere? Seeing as he can project via his 'minds eye' [i assume]. Is there a section of the island that is not possible to get to by foot? Is intranet communication the only way?

Im also getting the impression that there is at least one more exit in the Swan hatch..?

Hmm, so much to consider! :P

[TheDharmaShark]

The exit could be behind the magnet wall, it could lead to the "?"

[D-Roc]

Yeah, i was thinking it could be further underground..you know like how Jack got to the shower that time? But good, point it could well be behind the magnet wall..

Im trying to remember what Sayid said about it..did he say it was made of titanium[?]. Hmm..i wonder if they could break through it?

Although in saying that, was it a 'natural' wall..or had it been put there to block something [like an exit]..if it was 'put' there then i go along with your theory TDS!

[D-Roc]

Im wondering..could the reference to D.I.H.G be: Dharma.Initiative.Hanso.Genome?

Also, could the reference to MD/HG be: Michael.Dawson.Hanso.Genome? ..That would perhaps explain Walt and his powers..?

[D-Roc]

I was doing somemore thinking on this and i tried to go over some of the writing on the map and offer explainations as to their meaning..this is what i came up with [so far]:

"There are dragons here" - Is this another reference to the Black Smoke/Security System?

'Primary nexus of Cereberus related activity' - Would explain why the tailies didnt encounter the BS, since it's located/restricted to the losties half of the island?

'Kev-4? Or possible location of zoological research facility' - this i believe explains the polar bears and strange animal activity near the losties camp, seeing as there is/was an animal testing center [zoological] nearby.

'Known final resting place of Magnus Hanso/Black Rock' - Is Hanso's grandfather buried at the black rock? ..apparently he was captain[?] of the ship..and it is said that 'a captain always goes down with his ship'. I guess this is an honourable burial then, rather than a disrespectful one?

'Subterrainean Conduit' - I believe that this refers to the cable that comes from the ground and goes into the sea. [Subterranean=underground, conduit can=cable.]

'Home of H.G Delegation Inspection 12.7.87 - does this mean: Henry Gale Delegation Inspection? Did the real Henry Gale have a home on the island? Was he part of the Hanso inspection team?Was this why he was killed? [i do doubt this btw]

'no connection to islandwide EEP network [written near Swan hatch] - i believe this confirms that there is a island intranet system but that the Swan hatch isnt privy to this facility. Was this to keep the Swan Hatch researchers in the dark about what was unfolding on the outside of the hatch? or perhaps due to the incident?

"The wrath of the Gods may be slow but it certainly is great" - Is this in relation to 'Him'. Rather than kill his enemies quickly, does he subject them to extreme brutality of which is only imaginable?

'Multiple escape conduits blocked after incident' - I reckon this confirms that there are other escape portals in the Swan hatch, that have been blocked. We know of 2, it looks like there is another one in a seperate part of the hatch.

[Nickeshi]

Some good thoughts there KoR. A conduit isn't really a cable its more of a way of conveying something from one place to another. I think it would relate more to the theory that the security system has passages underground and thats the way that it moves around the island

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Nickeshi,Aug 24 2006, 12:37 PM

Some good thoughts there KoR. A conduit isn't really a cable its more of a way of conveying something from one place to another. I think it would relate more to the theory that the security system has passages underground and thats the way that it moves around the island

Cheers Nickeshi..

Yeah youre right, a conduit is a meduim which enables something to pass from one place to another but i think this still 'could' apply to it being the cable..because a cable does exactly that..it enables something [eg electricity] to pass from one place to another..

Here are two meanings for 'conduit':
A pipe or channel for conveying fluids, such as water.
A tube or duct for enclosing electric wires or cable.

Although i also suspect that you could be right about it being a refernce to the BS' supposed underground passages..as i also think this is very likely! :niceone: I guess the word conduit has several applications/meanings..now we have to consider which meaning is the right one, lol

[Calvin]

Regarding AH/MDG incident of 1985, I think maybe Alvar Hanso was the AH, and maybe the other "MDG", was his partner. MAYBE Alvar Hanso and this guy were doing the shifts, pressing the numbers?

I'm trying to find out the executives of Hanso Foundation, because maybe one of them were in that Incident?

[D-Roc]

Good point..perhaps MDG was Alvers partner [business or wife?]. I cant imagine Hanso doing shifts though because i doubt theres another button on the island that needs to be pressed like the one in the Swan hatch.

[Nickeshi]

maybe it was 1 of those de groot people

[Calvin]

Didn't Dr. Marvin Candle talk about taking shifts in the Orientation Video?

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Calvin,Aug 24 2006, 16:17 PM

Didn't Dr. Marvin Candle talk about taking shifts in the Orientation Video?

Yeah but that was for the Dharma people in the Swan Hatch.