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hundredand8 · 10-02-2006, 09:24 PM

Don't know about you, but I thought it was strange that The Others did not seem to be too bothered about the noise and lights after Desmond turned the key and "made it all go away".

Wouldn't you be confused? This is your island, nothing like this has happened for years. Would you not start to speculate what the hell this was?

Its different for the survivors of flight 815. This is a mighty strange island, and they have only been here for two months, so yeah, what the hell, yet another thing that does not happen back home.

But for The Others I think this excuse does not apply.

The_other_other · 10-02-2006, 09:54 PM

i think we can assume that the others know whats going on with the hatches etc.
Who knows, maybe HG masterminded the whole thing, damaging Lockes faith, acting like a puppetmaster. Anyway anyone whos lived on the island as long as them would expect the unexpected.

daviePOSEIDON · 10-02-2006, 10:00 PM

I would think they knew it was going to happen at some point

Cavegirl · 10-02-2006, 10:15 PM

My impression was that HG planned for Locke to lose faith and stop pushing the button - it was Desmond who threw a spanner in the works, but showing up and turning the key. Isn't that what created the light show? By releasing all of whatever in one go? I thought Henry looked very annoyed when that happened. As if to say - all that work down the drain!

Him · 10-02-2006, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Cavegirl,October 02, 2006 09:15 pm

I thought Henry looked very annoyed when that happened. As if to say - all that work down the drain!

I agree, he didn't seem too chuffed did he?

***Kiowa Warrior*** · 10-02-2006, 11:49 PM

I'm not sure if all the Others took the wierd noise and lights in their stride, but I got the impression that Henry wasn't very shocked by it. When the people on the pier are affacted everyone immediately covers their ears (except for the ones tied up), but Henry doesn't do so and instead looks up and glowers for a bit before eventually covering his ears.

I need to have a bit more of a think about why he could have acted like this, but I agree in that he didn't seem very shocked or pleased by what happened. That may suggest that he knew what would happen if the key was turned, and he didn't want that to happen. I agree that he was manipulating Locke and it does seem that, for whatever reason, he wanted Locke to loose faith and stop pushing the button. But I wonder if he could possibly have factored in Eko and Desmond into his plan?

Anyway, he doesn't look best pleased when the light/noise show started:

Indie88 · 10-03-2006, 12:04 AM

Caption:
"Sayid starts his Opera show on the pier."

Cavegirl · 10-03-2006, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Indie88,October 02, 2006 10:04 pm

Caption:
"Sayid starts his Opera show on the pier."

ChÃ© · 10-03-2006, 08:21 AM

Haha brilliant Indie..

I think that that image that Ki posted alone shows that 'Henry' knows what's happening with the electromagnetic pulse or whatever it is, though.. I wonder if he'll do anything about it though? After Desmond ended it he just seemed to 'go back to business' very quickly.

***Kiowa Warrior*** · 10-03-2006, 08:56 AM

Well Indie, if I ever use that screencap for the caption competition you'll have your line all ready won't you?

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Originally Posted by Ché

I think that that image that Ki posted alone shows that 'Henry' knows what's happening with the electromagnetic pulse or whatever it is, though.. I wonder if he'll do anything about it though? After Desmond ended it he just seemed to 'go back to business' very quickly.

Yes, I think Henry did have a pretty good idea of what was going on with the pulse from the hatch. And I suppose after it ended he couldn't be seen to be panicking or anything - not good style for a leader (take ntoe Jack) - and so carried on with his plan for Kate and co. as normal. I think that at the least he wants to do something about it, but perhaps he can't?

Indie88 · 10-03-2006, 01:57 PM

Thanks all

And ki, i'll have forgotten by then

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And I suppose after it ended he couldn't be seen to be panicking or anything

Maybe, just maybe - he *was* anxious, but he was expecting something to happen afterwards (like the 'incident')! And it didn't happen so he was like...."oh, okay."

hundredand8 · 10-03-2006, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiowa Warrior,October 02, 2006 09:49 pm

I'm not sure if all the Others took the wierd noise and lights in their stride, but I got the impression that Henry wasn't very shocked by it. When the people on the pier are affacted everyone immediately covers their ears (except for the ones tied up), but Henry doesn't do so and instead looks up and glowers for a bit before eventually covering his ears.

I need to have a bit more of a think about why he could have acted like this, but I agree in that he didn't seem very shocked or pleased by what happened. That may suggest that he knew what would happen if the key was turned, and he didn't want that to happen. I agree that he was manipulating Locke and it does seem that, for whatever reason, he wanted Locke to loose faith and stop pushing the button. But I wonder if he could possibly have factored in Eko and Desmond into his plan?

Anyway, he doesn't look best pleased when the light/noise show started:

Thats interesting, short term memory is a really bad thing, cause I would have sworn he covered his ears at the same time as everyone else.

Maybe there is a hint here that he has witnessed this before, whereas everyone else hasn't. Meaning he may have been around at the time of the first incident. Of course we only see a few of them, maybe Tom/Zeke/Beardy and MsKlugh who are not in this shot know as much as he does.

***D-Roc*** · 10-03-2006, 06:48 PM

I tend to agree with CG, Him, Ki and those who suggest that HG wasnt that impressed when the noise and lights hit. He seemed positively fuming imo.

I guess he knew what had transpired.

One thing that i would like to question though is whether or not HG and the others actually believe that the significance of the button is a mere myth or whether it is important? Because remember when HG said to Jack (or was it Locke?..or both?): "this place..this place is nothing, its a joke!" (ok, not an accurate quote, but it something like that!). He also went on the question the purpose of the computer etc. So...was HG telling the truth back then? Does HG (and his band of merry others) believe that the Swan/button is nothing but a mere joke? Would this explain his reaction in that it was a nuisance to him, getting an earache like that, but that it was nothing too pressing to worry about?

Or does he really believe in the purpose of the button and was he peeved that they came so close to being disintergrated due to slack hatch-duty?

***Kiowa Warrior*** · 10-03-2006, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by hundredand8,October 03, 2006 03:47 pm

Thats interesting, short term memory is a really bad thing, cause I would have sworn he covered his ears at the same time as everyone else.

Maybe there is a hint here that he has witnessed this before, whereas everyone else hasn't. Meaning he may have been around at the time of the first incident. Of course we only see a few of them, maybe Tom/Zeke/Beardy and MsKlugh who are not in this shot know as much as he does.

Yes, it could well be a bit of foreshadowing to suggest that Henry has either had first hand experience with the hatch/the incident/the electromagnetic phenomena on the island etc, or that he simply knows of the existence of those things and what their purpose/consequences are.

Most of the other Others are probably just the equivilant of foot soliders, and just follow orders without being told of the secrets the island holds. But yes interesting point about Tom/Ms Klugh etc - they aren't in shot I don't think (either in screencaps or on the show) when the noise and light first hit, so we don't know whether they were completely taken by surprise or acted like Henry did. I'd guess they would be slightly superior amongst the Others, but who knows if Henry trusts them (or any of them) enough to tell them anything more than they absolutely need to know?

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Originally Posted by KoRevo

One thing that i would like to question though is whether or not HG and the others actually believe that the significance of the button is a mere myth or whether it is important? Because remember when HG said to Jack (or was it Locke?..or both?): "this place..this place is nothing, its a joke!" (ok, not an accurate quote, but it something like that!). He also went on the question the purpose of the computer etc. So...was HG telling the truth back then? Does HG (and his band of merry others) believe that the Swan/button is nothing but a mere joke? Would this explain his reaction in that it was a nuisance to him, getting an earache like that, but that it was nothing too pressing to worry about?

Or does he really believe in the purpose of the button and was he peeved that they came so close to being disintergrated due to slack hatch-duty?

Yes I remember Henry telling someone that this place (the hatch) was just a joke...I have a feeling it was only to Locke, but I could be wrong. Perhaps he said that as part of his plan to get Locke to loose faith in pushing the button? Every little counts and all that, and even if Locke instantly disbelieved Henry his words would no doubt still be mulled over in his head. So far the majority of what Henry has said down the hatch has been a lie, so for the moment I'm inclined to disbelieve his claim that the hatch is a joke.

Perhaps he doesn't think that the hatch is a total joke, but in the grand scheme of island things it ranks pretty low down. Just like when Henry said that Tom was no-one when it was claimed he was the Others' leader, it's clear that Tom is not really no-one - he seems to rank higher than a lot of the Others - but he is also not their mastermind or ultimate leader.

Henry could well have been simply peeved off that the pointless Swan hatch had produced such an effect, but for the moment I think he looked more angry and not very surprised than anything else.

Cavegirl · 10-03-2006, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KoRevo,October 03, 2006 04:48 pm

One thing that i would like to question though is whether or not HG and the others actually believe that the significance of the button is a mere myth or whether it is important? Because remember when HG said to Jack (or was it Locke?..or both?): "this place..this place is nothing, its a joke!" (ok, not an accurate quote, but it something like that!). He also went on the question the purpose of the computer etc. So...was HG telling the truth back then? Does HG (and his band of merry others) believe that the Swan/button is nothing but a mere joke? Would this explain his reaction in that it was a nuisance to him, getting an earache like that, but that it was nothing too pressing to worry about?

Thank you so much for reminding me about Henry's "this place is a joke" line, I had forgotten it.

I looked up the script just now - it was in "Dave" - and I'll quote that section here because it's interesting (to me, anyway):

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LOCKE: Did you get caught on purpose? You and your people have been here for God knows how long, and you got caught in a net...

GALE: God doesn't know.

LOCKE: Excuse me?

GALE: God doesn't know how long we've been here, John. He can't see this island any better than the rest of the world can. May I ask you a question? What possible reason could I have for putting myself through all this?

LOCKE: Maybe your people were looking for this place.

GALE: This place? This place is a joke, John.

LOCKE: What are you talking about?

GALE: I crawled through your vents and I stood at your computer as the alarm beeped. And you know what happened? The timer went all the way down to zero, and then some funny red pictures flipped up in its place. They looked like hieroglyphics, but I'm no expert. And then things got real interesting. There was a loud clunking and a hum like a magnet -- a big magnet. It was really very frightening. And you know what happened next? Nothing happened, John. Nothing happened at all. Your timer just flipped back to 108. I never entered the numbers. I never pressed the button.

LOCKE: You're lying.

GALE: No, I'm done lying.

I assume Henry was, in fact, still lying because we know it gets a lot louder and more scary than that after the last hieroglyphic flips over. So, Henry knew what happened when the timer runs out. I'd forgotten that - old age, you know. Hundredand8 knows how it is.

10-02-2006, 09:24 PM	#1 (permalink)
hundredand8 See you in another life Survivor Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,549	How come The Others took IT in their stride Don't know about you, but I thought it was strange that The Others did not seem to be too bothered about the noise and lights after Desmond turned the key and "made it all go away". Wouldn't you be confused? This is your island, nothing like this has happened for years. Would you not start to speculate what the hell this was? Its different for the survivors of flight 815. This is a mighty strange island, and they have only been here for two months, so yeah, what the hell, yet another thing that does not happen back home. But for The Others I think this excuse does not apply. __________________ Thanks to Matt Gogi for the lovely sig and to JB_Sawyer for making it a legal size

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The_other_other Henry Gale Force Wind Survivor Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: london Fave Character: Mr. Eko Lost Item: Jesus Stick Posts: 4,469	How come The Others took IT in their stride i think we can assume that the others know whats going on with the hatches etc. Who knows, maybe HG masterminded the whole thing, damaging Lockes faith, acting like a puppetmaster. Anyway anyone whos lived on the island as long as them would expect the unexpected. __________________ 'You see, senorita, mystery is important. To know everything, to know the whole truth, is dull. There is no magic in that. Magic is not knowing, magic is wondering about what and how and where.'

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daviePOSEIDON False Rescue Survivor Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,333	How come The Others took IT in their stride I would think they knew it was going to happen at some point __________________

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Cavegirl Sacrifice the Island demanded Survivor Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 606	How come The Others took IT in their stride My impression was that HG planned for Locke to lose faith and stop pushing the button - it was Desmond who threw a spanner in the works, but showing up and turning the key. Isn't that what created the light show? By releasing all of whatever in one go? I thought Henry looked very annoyed when that happened. As if to say - all that work down the drain!

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*Kiowa Warrior* Locke 1, Jack -1000000000 Island Warrior Resident Evil Apocalypse Champion!Tournaments Won: 1 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Locke's Right Hand Side Fave Character: Locke Lost Item: Hunting Knife Posts: 7,028 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 6	How come The Others took IT in their stride I'm not sure if all the Others took the wierd noise and lights in their stride, but I got the impression that Henry wasn't very shocked by it. When the people on the pier are affacted everyone immediately covers their ears (except for the ones tied up), but Henry doesn't do so and instead looks up and glowers for a bit before eventually covering his ears. I need to have a bit more of a think about why he could have acted like this, but I agree in that he didn't seem very shocked or pleased by what happened. That may suggest that he knew what would happen if the key was turned, and he didn't want that to happen. I agree that he was manipulating Locke and it does seem that, for whatever reason, he wanted Locke to loose faith and stop pushing the button. But I wonder if he could possibly have factored in Eko and Desmond into his plan? Anyway, he doesn't look best pleased when the light/noise show started: __________________ *You can't prove it won't happen...* We got our hearts dipped In time release We got the know how And the elbow greaase

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Indie88 Hunting Survivor Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 352	How come The Others took IT in their stride Caption: "Sayid starts his Opera show on the pier."

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ChÃ© Redshirt Survivor Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 75	How come The Others took IT in their stride Haha brilliant Indie.. I think that that image that Ki posted alone shows that 'Henry' knows what's happening with the electromagnetic pulse or whatever it is, though.. I wonder if he'll do anything about it though? After Desmond ended it he just seemed to 'go back to business' very quickly.

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*D-Roc* Hello Again :) Island Architect Tournaments Won: 1 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Locke's Heart Fave Character: Locke Lost Item: Crucifix Posts: 17,172	How come The Others took IT in their stride I tend to agree with CG, Him, Ki and those who suggest that HG wasnt that impressed when the noise and lights hit. He seemed positively fuming imo. I guess he knew what had transpired. One thing that i would like to question though is whether or not HG and the others actually believe that the significance of the button is a mere myth or whether it is important? Because remember when HG said to Jack (or was it Locke?..or both?): "this place..this place is nothing, its a joke!" (ok, not an accurate quote, but it something like that!). He also went on the question the purpose of the computer etc. So...was HG telling the truth back then? Does HG (and his band of merry others) believe that the Swan/button is nothing but a mere joke? Would this explain his reaction in that it was a nuisance to him, getting an earache like that, but that it was nothing too pressing to worry about? Or does he really believe in the purpose of the button and was he peeved that they came so close to being disintergrated due to slack hatch-duty? __________________ Ben shows Jack how to Pop his Collar --- Following Ben Linus to the end of the wheel AND IN TURN, THE END OF TIME & SPACE Time is Not Linear, Hence it can be LOST