Blast Door UV Map

[St. Anger]

How did Radzinsky/Kelvin come across all of that information, some of which was pretty intense. I mean that note about a 1984 incident would indicate Radzinsky was there a long time ago, as I'm aassuming Inman was indicting that Radzinsky was the one who started the map.

To create that map would have taken alot of knowledge about the island, it's events and inhabitants. Radzinksi must of had contact with the Others or at least somehow had insider's knowledge as he knows about experiments, incidents, other hatches, Cerberus, and the general layout of the island.

Did Desmond eventally begin to also add to the map? I doubt it as the poor man wasn't allowed to leave. And of course soon after he left for the first time, the plane crashed, so we could also assume even after this, he still did not leave the hatch [i.e. otherwise we would have seenn him creeping around the bushes, plus it'd be hard to believe none of the Losties would have spotted him].

Radz must have done some serious trekking through the jungle a la Danielle, to find out what he did.

[daviePOSEIDON]

This is a good point that hasn't really been speculated. Perharps Radzinski didn't start the map and the person before him did. You know like one of those patchwork quilts that you pass down and add to. That is a fair point though, they would have had to explore the entire island in that time.

[St. Anger]

Originally Posted by daviePOSEIDON,October 24, 2006 05:35 pm

This is a good point that hasn't really been speculated. Perharps Radzinski didn't start the map and the person before him did. You know like one of those patchwork quilts that you pass down and add to. That is a fair point though, they would have had to explore the entire island in that time.

Hmmm I didn't think about that,...maybe he wasn't the first.

[lost-lover]

Originally Posted by St. Anger (o'_'o),October 24, 2006 04:55 pm

To create that map would have taken alot of knowledge about the island, it's events and inhabitants. Radzinksi must of had contact with the Others or at least somehow had insider's knowledge as he knows about experiments, incidents, other hatches, Cerberus, and the general layout of the island.

We've alreadly seen (in Desmond's flashbacks) Kelvin adding to the blast door map, could be that this map was created by a number of Dharma's workers while they were stuck there, maybe a pair took it in turns to leave then whenever they were in the hatch on their shift they added to the map, it would've built up pretty quickly. It's possible that the map was started by Hanso before Dharma added to it.

[St. Anger]

Originally Posted by lost-lover,October 24, 2006 06:05 pm

We've alreadly seen (in Desmond's flashbacks) Kelvin adding to the blast door map, could be that this map was created by a number of Dharma's workers while they were stuck there, maybe a pair took it in turns to leave then whenever they were in the hatch on their shift they added to the map, it would've built up pretty quickly. It's possible that the map was started by Hanso before Dharma added to it.

I never thought about that, ......that they only had 108 minutes to explore the island. Hmmm.

[Kiowa Warrior]

Yeah this is an interesting point to bring up.
Going by Desmond's flashback it could be assumed that Radzinski was the mastermind behind the map (since he also figured out a way to fake a lockdown). But then again Radzinski could have learned the lockdown trick from his former partner (if one existed) or indeed someone else entirely, as well as having the map passed down to him.

When Kelvin was painting the map he knew where he had left off and so could paint the next part accurately. This could suggest that he had seen Radzinski paint the map from the start, so that he knew exactly where and what he had painted, meaning that the map was solely Radzinski's creation and was not passed down from anyone. Perhaps the idea or even order to make the map was someone else's, but for now I think that Radzinski painted the map from scratch, and that Kelvin continued his work after he died.

[E Pluribus Unum]

I think this links to the "why did Raz splice the swan orientation" thread;

My theory goes something like this..

Raz being a smart bloke [see cross-wiring the 'lockdown] realises he's being watched [err cameras] he 'HACKS' the swan computer, accessing the information that he uses for his map [perhaps he had an informant, "rebel dharma folk?"], makes the map but realises that he may get found out and nobody will ever know what he knows, so he 'removes' the part of the orientation vid [swan] that says "Don't use the computer for communication" in the hope that others will 'attempt' to use the swan computer for 'other' things...

My guess is the UV map is out of sight of the cameras [Pearl-ers] and that Raz wasn't killed....but was MURDERED!!

It might explain why he hid the 'orientation vid' in the book [Turn of the screw] - perhaps Raz was getting close to something, or 'peeing' someone off aka 'Turning the screw"

lol

[St. Anger]

When Kelvin was painting the map he knew where he had left off and so could paint the next part accurately. This could suggest that he had seen Radzinski paint the map from the start, so that he knew exactly where and what he had painted, meaning that the map was solely Radzinski's creation and was not passed down from anyone

Good point KW, Kelvin was painting in the light, and it appeared he couldn't see exactly the map. Though had Radzinski not started the map, this wouldn't rule out he continued the map from his predecessor.

Raz being a smart bloke [see cross-wiring the 'lockdown] realises he's being watched [err cameras] he 'HACKS' the swan computer, accessing the information that he uses for his map [perhaps he had an informant, "rebel dharma folk?"], makes the map but realises that he may get found out and nobody will ever know what he knows, so he 'removes' the part of the orientation vid [swan] that says "Don't use the computer for communication" in the hope that others will 'attempt' to use the swan computer for 'other' things...

Would have been easier to smash the camera's to avoid being watched . That way, no one will ever discover his map. But what would be dangerous about the Others finding out about what he knows, ...I mean all he was doing was making a note of how the island looked and what had gone on there. Maybe it's in fear of him finding out too much about the dodgy experiments etc. But by removing that section of that tape, wasn't the general concenses that hatch workers wouldn't be tempted or curious to use the computer for outside communication [as KoR said]. Cool idea about Radz hacking the system.

[E Pluribus Unum]

If he destroyed the cameras "they'd know he knew" about them

And "hatch workers wouldn't be tempted or curious to use the computer for outside communication [as KoR said]." - yeah that's my thinking; since we know that the swan is connected to a 'server' of sorts [the pearl computer] then we can presume it's connected to other places [main computer - with blue prints of positions of hatches/hatches names etc] - remember there's a note on the UV map that says "Estimated Trave Timel Incompatible With 108, Do Not Attempt Journey"

That's the words of someone who knew something was there but had NOT (physically) been there - it also hints that the person who wrote this was either;

a. Alone in the hatch
b. Didn't want anyone else in the hatch [including their partner (Desmond?)] to know what they knew..

[St. Anger]

Originally Posted by E PLURIBUS UNUM,October 24, 2006 07:48 pm

If he destroyed the cameras "they'd know he knew" about them

And "hatch workers wouldn't be tempted or curious to use the computer for outside communication [as KoR said]." - yeah that's my thinking; since we know that the swan is connected to a 'server' of sorts [the pearl computer] then we can presume it's connected to other places [main computer - with blue prints of positions of hatches/hatches names etc] - remember there's a note on the UV map that says "Estimated Trave Timel Incompatible With 108, Do Not Attempt Journey"

That's the words of someone who knew something was there but had NOT (physically) been there - it also hints that the person who wrote this was either;

a. Alone in the hatch
b. Didn't want anyone else in the hatch [including their partner (Desmond?)] to know what they knew..

Hmmm, well we know Inman was alone and I'm assuming before Radz died that there were always 2 hatch workers.

Why do you suppose a worker wouldn't want their partner to know what they knew.

I'm confused, you said "so he 'removes' the part of the orientation vid [swan] that says "Don't use the computer for communication" in the hope that others will 'attempt' to use the swan computer for 'other' things..."

Did you mean "won't attempt" as opposed to "will attempt"? And did you mean he removed the splice, so that new workers would never discover what he found out from using the computer to gather outside informatiton on the network?

[Kiowa Warrior]

Originally Posted by St. Anger (o'_'o),October 24, 2006 08:38 pm

Good point KW, Kelvin was painting in the light, and it appeared he couldn't see exactly the map. Though had Radzinski not started the map, this wouldn't rule out he continued the map from his predecessor.

Oh yes I agree with you that the possibility that the map could have been passed down to Radzinski can't be ruled out, but for now I believe that Raz started painting the map himself.

Kelvin also told Desmond that Radzinski figured out how to fake the lockdown, so I wonder how he could have learnt to do such a thing - either he had some knowledge of its mechanisms or figured it out by trial and error - and also why would he want to fake a lockdown in the first place?

I also get the feeling that Radzinski either wanted or hoped for someone to find the pieces of the Orientation film he cut out, because otherwise why not simply destroy them?

[E Pluribus Unum]

Originally Posted by St. Anger (o'_'o),October 26, 2006 03:42 pm

Hmmm, well we know Inman was alone and I'm assuming before Radz died that there were always 2 hatch workers.

Why do you suppose a worker wouldn't want their partner to know what they knew.

I'm confused, you said "so he 'removes' the part of the orientation vid [swan] that says "Don't use the computer for communication" in the hope that others will 'attempt' to use the swan computer for 'other' things..."

Did you mean "won't attempt" as opposed to "will attempt"? And did you mean he removed the splice, so that new workers would never discover what he found out from using the computer to gather outside informatiton on the network?

Well...

The part he 'editied' out [from memory, don't quote me :P] was something about "Don't use the computer for communication or something very very bad will happen", so in removing that he takes away the 'worry' of future swan-ers so that they will find what Raz was using [perhaps he left a 'trail' of some sorts with more info]

So basically he 'removed' the part that 'warned' them about NOT to use the computer for other means, in the hope that someone [obviously, none of the losties ] had the curiosity to 'poke and prod' the computer to find out what the hell is going on...

Of course, presuming the hatch has been 'totalled' I suppose we'll never know

[St. Anger]

Well...

The part he 'editied' out [from memory, don't quote me ] was something about "Don't use the computer for communication or something very very bad will happen", so in removing that he takes away the 'worry' of future swan-ers so that they will find what Raz was using [perhaps he left a 'trail' of some sorts with more info]

So basically he 'removed' the part that 'warned' them about NOT to use the computer for other means, in the hope that someone [obviously, none of the losties* ] had the curiosity to 'poke and prod' the computer to find out what the hell is going on...

Of course, presuming the hatch has been 'totalled' I suppose we'll never know*

Oh I hear you,..... so that they wouldn't cr@p themselves after seeing the film and think "the hell using it for msn or pac-man".
It's a wonder Desmsond never fooled around with it. Though it'd be kind of hard as the computer didn't exactly have a "Start Menu" . So to use it for something else would take a computer wiz.