Libby- Was She One Big Red-Herring?

[Orson]

Could it be completely possible that the 'Lost' writers have duped us all in believing that there was somehtign suspicious about Libby? I for one believed that she was a mole, and she was definatly lying about something. I know a lot of people said that no one saw her any of the flashbacks, bar Hurley's, and thus making people unsure as to whether or not she was working for Dharma. Then of course, just before we died we saw her in Eko's flashback. I saw this as the writers sticking their fingers up at us in a rude gesture saying: "You fools, we tricked you all, a-ha-ha!". All metaphorically, of course.

So... any thoughts? Have we all been duped?

[Murgatroyd]

I must admit that I never saw anything remotely suspicious about Libby, but so many people believe otherwise that I'm preparing myself for a massive turnaround. I just don't know what I'm missing. What on earth was she supposed to have done?

[Ché]

She just looked supicious!

It was weird, but I thought there was something she wasn't letting on when I saw her even before I was on these forums.. Maybe that's just due to the fact that she is quite possibly a bit loopy though?

[Him]

Originally Posted by Murgatroyd,September 14, 2006 08:16 pm

I must admit that I never saw anything remotely suspicious about Libby, but so many people believe otherwise that I'm preparing myself for a massive turnaround. I just don't know what I'm missing. What on earth was she supposed to have done?

I completely agree - I didn't find Libby suspicious at all.

[Hooting Heck]

In almost all of Libby's scenes, she ends up giving someone a furtive look, a sideways glance, out of the corner of her eyes, after they've stopped talking and the camera holds on her in that soap opera way. Like she's thinking something, or adding dots to the end of her sentences...

Except the scene where she got shot.

[hundredand8]

Well, for what its worth, that scene at the airport was there fore two reasons.

Neither Eko nor Libby appeared in "Exodus". Ana-Lucia did, remember? Now thats because back in S1 the writers had not thought about them. So this is Ekos and Libbys "Exodus" scene.

Second, it proves Libby was on the plane. And yes I've read a lot about what if she wasn't and isn't she dodgy and why would anyone fall for Hurley and no he did not step on her toes and what was that washing machine scene all about and are her lips for real and is there ever going to be a fullstop to this sentence and how come she was brunette when she was in the hospital and now her hair is blond and how come her roots aren't showing so finally here is the .

[Hooting Heck]

Don't stop.

[E Pluribus Unum]

lol 108

I agree, there were occasions when Libby gave the 'ole snake eyes

It wouldn't suprise me at all if we had been duped! I think it's a bit risky though, especially with all the rumours going around, namely the "They don't know what they're doing" and "They're making it up as they go along" - if Libby was just there to throw us off, then that would add fuel to the fire I reckon...

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Ché,September 14, 2006 08:24 pm

She just looked supicious!

It was weird, but I thought there was something she wasn't letting on when I saw her even before I was on these forums.. Maybe that's just due to the fact that she is quite possibly a bit loopy though?

Yeah it was the way she would look at people long after the convo was finished, the way she hid the fact that she was in the mental hospital with Hurley. Also when she was with the other tailies there were moments when she was like a scared little girl and then the next minute she was so calm and assured..

I think she was very suspicious..i couldnt quite 'get her', if you know what i mean? There was just something about Mary..i mean, Libby.

I think she's going to come back as a ghost or vision [ala Yemi?] and help our Losties at some point..

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by hundredand8,September 14, 2006 08:56 pm

Well, for what its worth, that scene at the airport was there fore two reasons.

Neither Eko nor Libby appeared in "Exodus". Ana-Lucia did, remember? Now thats because back in S1 the writers had not thought about them. So this is Ekos and Libbys "Exodus" scene.

Second, it proves Libby was on the plane. And yes I've read a lot about what if she wasn't and isn't she dodgy and why would anyone fall for Hurley and no he did not step on her toes and what was that washing machine scene all about and are her lips for real and is there ever going to be a fullstop to this sentence and how come she was brunette when she was in the hospital and now her hair is blond and how come her roots aren't showing so finally here is the .

Good point about it being confirmation that she 'was' on the plane afterall etc. Because there was suspicion abound that she was a spy/mole etc. Although to be fair if she was a spy then it still wouldve made sense for her to have been on the plane..

But good points.

[Ché]

But if she was a spy, that would suggest that she would have to report back with information to someone. Would they risk her being in a plane crash?

Unless they knew that everyone they wanted to survive that plane crash would survive..

[D-Roc]

Yeah that was my thinking at the time - That the plane wasnt 'crashed' as such..but rather 'landed' or brought down by the security system or the magnetic pull of the island..then the beach scene was mocked up to 'look' like a crash had taken place.

Although the way the tail-end crashed kinda disputes that view. But still, they [HF?] may have known that they wouldnt die from that..and Libby couldve been briefed about what to do and how to survive etc? Also something's not right with the tailend crash..how on earth did Bernie end up alive in that tree? Afterall when we saw the crash in TO48D, a chair came hurtling towards the camera at great speed. Therefore we have to assume that Bernards chair wouldve been travelling at similar speed...yet he survives..how? I suspect HF set the scene up..somehow..

[E Pluribus Unum]

Originally Posted by KoRevo,September 15, 2006 10:19 am

Yeah that was my thinking at the time - That the plane wasnt 'crashed' as such..but rather 'landed' or brought down by the security system or the magnetic pull of the island..then the beach scene was mocked up to 'look' like a crash had taken place.

Although the way the tail-end crashed kinda disputes that view. But still, they [HF?] may have known that they wouldnt die from that..and Libby couldve been briefed about what to do and how to survive etc? Also something's not right with the tailend crash..how on earth did Bernie end up alive in that tree? Afterall when we saw the crash in TO48D, a chair came hurtling towards the camera at great speed. Therefore we have to assume that Bernards chair wouldve been travelling at similar speed...yet he survives..how? I suspect HF set the scene up..somehow..

Yeah that was suspect wasn't it. A guy, hanging from some material - perhaps. But for his chair to land like it did, in a branch -

Thinking back to that, why did Goodwin even tell anyone, wasn't he worried that Bernard was going to ID him as 'one of them' why didn't Goodwin 'try' [and purposely fail] to save Bernard himself

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by E PLURIBUS UNUM,September 15, 2006 10:26 am

Yeah that was suspect wasn't it. A guy, hanging from some material - perhaps. But for his chair to land like it did, in a branch -

Thinking back to that, why did Goodwin even tell anyone, wasn't he worried that Bernard was going to ID him as 'one of them' why didn't Goodwin 'try' [and purposely fail] to save Bernard himself

lol, yeah VERY suspect! Beyond the laws of physics even!

Hmm, that always did puzzle me - because at the end of the day im sure Bernard wouldt have heard him seeing as the others are sneaky and Bernie was surely too caught up in his own dilemna too be looking out for Others. Also, i doubt whether Bernie could even look down..as when Ana was trying to save him he couldnt look down at her because of his angel..

However im thinking that maybe Goodwin didnt want to take any chances..maybe he thought that by introducing himself in that dramtic fashion it would take everyones minds off him and focus it on Bernie and how well they done in rescuing him?

Or..maybe Goodwin wanted to test Ana..because we now know that [according tro Henry] he thought that Ana was "worth saving"..so perhaps he thought this before he even met her?..maybe he knew about her pre-island..perhaps he was involved in the selection process at one point? So perhaps it was always his plan to try and change/save her..maybe he felt so sorry for what she had been though pre-island [losing her baby etc] and so he planned to save her. Which could mean that he wanted to set her some tests - eg calling her out to see how she handled the Bernie/tree situation etc?

One thing that kinda backs this up [IMO] is just after Ana saves Bernie from the tree..Goodwin gives her this strange look as she walks away..i couldnt quite place what it meant before but after hearing Henry's testimony I now think it was a look of [suprise and] 'justification'..justification that he felt he was right in thinking that she could be changed?

[hundredand8]

Do we actually know Libbys name?

I think we know the names of all other characters, even if they are not using them in the show. Not sure about Rose and Bernards though

Is that going to be a major revelation?

Elisabeth Hanso?
Elisabeth Widmore?