Do you like "Kate" ?

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by firebreathingfishies

That's a good point actually... Hey Roco, in all this Evi acting bashing I bet you couldn't run through the jungle in a tank top getting sweaty and climbing trees and getting it on with Sawyer in a cage and restraining yourself from vomiting during those Jate scenes (or they would be Jaco scenes, or Rock ). It's hard work you know!

That would be right up my street actually. I'm very sporty so I'd have a helluva time As for Sawyer and the cage..well there are sacrifices we must all make in life.

Originally Posted by firebreathingfishies

She only blew up her stepdad. We've all done that, right?

She also got Tom killed..and wrecked her mom's life. She also caused Ed Mars to be on the plane, which ultimately killed him. ..and she'll be the death of Jack

..wait..

[firebreathingfishies]

Well to be fair she didn't exactly want Mars to catch her and get on the plane And her mum's life seemed pretty wrecked already, being married to a wife-beater and having cancer and all (it was cancer, wasn't it?)

[firebreathingfishies]

While we're playing chaos theory, here's one to float your boat Remember the guy who wouldn't let Locke on the Walkabout? Well if he hadn't sent Locke back, Locke wouldn't have gotten to the island, he wouldn't have dreamt about Eko's plane, so he and Boone wouldn't have gone to investigate thus Boone wouldn't have died. So TECHNICALLY it's the guy who wouldn't let Locke go on the walkabouts fault.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by firebreathingfishies

Well to be fair she didn't exactly want Mars to catch her and get on the plane

True, but it was her choice to commit those crimes and then have the audacity to run from the law instead of accepting her punishment. After all, she did blow a man up..she had no right to run from her rightful punishment imo

And her mum's life seemed pretty wrecked already, being married to a wife-beater and having cancer and all (it was cancer, wasn't it?)

But there were other ways in which she could have dealt with it - she chose to blow the man up instead of, I don't know, calling the police. Also, it was inferred that kate didn't kill him for her mothers sake, but rather for her own sake - in one of the earlier episodes, Kate says that she didn't want to be like Wayne, that she didn't want to feel a part of Wayne, and that's why she killed him. Then in a later episode, even Diane (Kate's mom) tells Kate that she (Kate) killed Wayne for her own reasons and not for her (Diane). So this kinda negates any justification that Kate might have had imo

Also, I don't think that Kate had the right to make that choice for Diane. Diane clearly didn't want Kate to do what she did and she was in love with Wayne. He was a wife beater and I would never defend such appauling behaviour, but Kate had other options. Taking it to the level of intentionally killing the man was just too far. Two wrongs don't make a right and all that.

Also, unlike Ben's murder of Keamy, Kate's murder of Wayne wasn't impulsive..she sat down and planned it. Which means that she was composed and calculated. With this in mind, why is it that so many people are so quick to hang Ben from a tree for the boat thing, yet Kate kills Wayne and no-one bothers to look into just how calculated that was.

I think there's more reason in an impulsive murder (i.e. self defense) someone than I can in calculated murder.

I guess Kate's just a cold blooded murderer

*I think Diane was diagnosed with Cancer after Wayne was mudered. This is what motivated Kate to return 'home', and what caused poor Tom to get tangled up in Kate's mess and what ultimately caused his death.

[firebreathingfishies]

Originally Posted by D-Roc

True, but it was her choice to commit those crimes and then have the audacity to run from the law instead of accepting her punishment. After all, she did blow a man up..she had no right to run from her rightful punishment imo

I'm not condoning her actions at all, it's just blaming her for Mars' death is a bit of a push, I mean it's not like she knew that the plane was going to crash. It's like saying it's Christian Shephard's fault that Ana-Lucia is dead because he talked her into going to Australia with him I was as bewildered as everyone else when she was let off in Eggtown.

But there were other ways in which she could have dealt with it - she chose to blow the man up instead of, I don't know, calling the police. Also, it was inferred that kate didn't kill him for her mothers sake, but rather for her own sake - in one of the earlier episodes, Kate says that she didn't want to be like Wayne, that she didn't want to feel a part of Wayne, and that's why she killed him. Then in a later episode, even Diane (Kate's mom) tells Kate that she (Kate) killed Wayne for her own reasons and not for her (Diane). So this kinda negates any justification that Kate might have had imo

Yeah definately, but then again some people don't have the proper cognitive capabilities to think of something so simple I think Kate killed him because she couldn't stand the thought of him being her father but she probably told herself that she was doing it for Diane so much that she believed it. There's no justification in her actions, and I think she sees that herself now, but she is still terrified by the thought of prison, which takes away any sympathy you could possibly muster for her on the subject.

Also, I don't think that Kate had the right to make that choice for Diane. Diane clearly didn't want Kate to do what she did and she was in love with Wayne. He was a wife beater and I would never defend such appauling behaviour, but Kate had other options. Taking it to the level of intentionally killing the man was just too far. Two wrongs don't make a right and all that.

No, definately not. I mean, no one has the right to make a decision for someone else unless the other person is incapable of making decisions themselves - ie Aaron for instance. Diane had made her choice to stay with Wayne and, albeit it wasn't a perfect life she seemed moderately happy. Kate's motives have never been properly explained, so I'd like to see it all before the end of the show. Like she could sit down and talk with Diane about it, that would be interesting. Is Diane still alive? She is isn't she?

Also, unlike Ben's murder of Keamy, Kate's murder of Wayne wasn't impulsive..she sat down and planned it. Which means that she was composed and calculated. With this in mind, why is it that so many people are so quick to hang Ben from a tree for the boat thing, yet Kate kills Wayne and no-one bothers to look into just how calculated that was.

I think there's more reason in an impulsive murder (i.e. self defense) someone than I can in calculated murder.

I guess Kate's just a cold blooded murder

Obviously any form of murder is wrong, but I agree with an intended murder being the worst. She obviously did put a lot of time into it, as she was ready for him arriving. I think the Ben thing was more shocking for people because there were more people involved. I understand fully why Ben killed Keamy because if i'd just seen someone shoot my son at point blank range I would do more than what Ben did to Keamy. Kate's reasons for killing Wayne are nothing in comparison to Ben's reasons for killing Keamy - but both of them were still in the wrong. Killing someone because they killed someone else is not the answer is it? Like you said above there could have been other options but sometimes anger and emotion get the better of us. Could be the same in Kate's case, which is why I wouldn't brand her as a cold-blooded killer. Keamy was a cold-blooded killer. I wouldn't rank Kate up there with him.

*I think Diane was diagnosed with Cancer after Wayne was mudered. This is what motivated Kate to return 'home', and what caused poor Tom to get tangled up in Kate's mess and what ultimately caused his death.

Oh yeah I remember now. Yeah poor Tom

[Magnovey Phoenix]

You are all accusing Kate like she is without moral and deep emotions, cold blooded killer (well most of ya). But I say, she and her life story are very deep (perhaps the deepest ever on the screen). I've never judged her and I understand all she did, because you may see it as another story on the TV show but me, I see it (since I'm into psychology) as a very touchy and very realistic life of every 100th person on this world. Have you ever experienced family violence? Malevolent behavior of your close ones? Humiliation? Social rejection? Have you ever made a mistake of which you're sorry now, but society doesn't know for forgiveness? I was very moved with her character and her story, I must say.
Maybe she is different in her real life and on the Island, but is she? Maybe all she wants is a little bit of attention but she is also afraid of not making another mistake. Maybe you cannot change someone else's past but at least you can understand it. Try to understand it.
I wont continue cos I have a lot more to say, but this is enough I guess. For me Kate is in the top 10 of my 100 fictional characters.

[freckles08]

Yeah but what was her reason for bouncing back from Sawyer and Jack and she didnt have to kill Wayne who actually was her dad lets not forget.

How come he didn't know he was her dad?

and lets not forget the whole Bank Heist for a toy plane !!!

[leightrace]

yes i do like her i just hate the way she plays sawyer and jack off against each other.

[freckles08]

Originally Posted by leightrace

yes i do like her i just hate the way she plays sawyer and jack off against each other.

Ha Ha most people on here hate her except for Miss Austen and Magnovey Phoenix and ermm some other people i cant remeber

[Miss Austen]

KatesFate and Reed like Kate too!

I like Kate cos she's not the type of woman to join the Womens Institute and bake cookies!!!!

[Magnovey Phoenix]

Originally Posted by freckles08

...and she didnt have to kill Wayne who actually was her dad lets not forget.

He was her real father, but was he acting like a real parent? Or was he abusive?

Originally Posted by freckles08

and lets not forget the whole Bank Heist for a toy plane !!!

There's a lot of us who can be very close and personal to little thing that don't mean too much to other people. It may be weird to you, but it means a lot to us...

Originally Posted by leightrace

i just hate the way she plays sawyer and jack off against each other.

Well they are both guys, and not very smart as we can see. She likes both of them, so why not play them out? I think neither Jack or Sawyer would fit her as a love partner. They are just too... Stereotypic for her.