Did Juliet Fail as a Doctor and a Humanitarian?

[D-Roc]

Juliet was brought to the island on her own steam in order to help solve the island's fertility problems.

It would seem that not only has Juliet failed in her role as a doctor, but that she had failed as a humantarian -

At every given opportunity she has whined and complained, pleading to go home and ditch her work on the island. But what about her responsibility to those on the island and potentially the bigger picture which relates to the world..? Doesn't she have a duty to get her head down and do her job? No-one said it would be easy..saving the world is never easy!

She had a job to do and I submit that she has failed in that job - in her haste to desert her job with the Others she has joined the losties and jeapodised the lives of hundreds..possibly millions. As a humanitarian she sucks!

Does she think that Ben hasn't got enough on his plate..does she think that it's all sunshine and light for him? Of course it's not, but unlike her HE gets on with his role in this great mission.

The darkest moment came when she helped despatch her own fellows - Danny, Pryce, Tom, Jason..all fell at her feet.

Doctors often get blood on their hands in the persuit of saving someones life..however as both a doctor and a humanitarian, Juliet has failed (imho). Turncoat, sabator, fickle and selfish..that's our Jules!

She is officially and unofficially barred from Othersville and all world saving agendas

[Murgatroyd]

She did a lot better as both a doctor and humanitarian than most of her colleagues did. The Others have not only failed to treat numerous people they were capable of helping - two doctors were sent into the two respective camps and offered no medical aid at all - they've also attacked and killed or attempted to kill people, and not in self defence (Nathan, the most recent attack on the camp, the attempted murder of Sawyer, Charlie - if you want a list). I know you're very contemptuous of doctors' refusing to help people in need (cf. Jack and Locke), so you'll surely agree with me on this point. Surely....

Juliet warned people in danger of death than they were in danger of death and allowed them to avoid it. That's one of the most humanitarian acts to have come out of the Others' camp - no decent human being would consider they had a choice. If she doesn't know the implications of helping the Losties to leave the island, that's Ben's fault for refusing to tell people. She's not a mind reader. Her 'failing' at her mission - well, what on earth else was she meant to do? It seems unsolvable. Ben can't solve it either... nor could Ethan. She went further than anybody else did in advancing a cure. I don't see any reason to throw her efforts back in her face besides the crimes that were affected with a view to her developing that cure (Claire's abduction). And bear in mind re her 'whining' that she was told she could go home after six months. I think it's quite reasonable to whine about being held against your will and having your sister's life put under threat and all (withholding treatment - you hated Jack's doing it to Ben; presumably you hate Ben's doing it to Rachel just as wholeheartedly). And she was never enlisted with a view to 'saving the world'. When did anyone mention that as part of the job description?

As for the murders you list - Juliet didn't kill Pryce, Jason or Tom. I've no idea why you're including them. She was only present because she was attempting to save three other lives. She killed Pickett because he was about to kill Sawyer, Kate and quite probably Karl. If you can forgive Ben's ordering the deaths of Bonnie and Greta because he couldn't be bothered trusting loyal subjects, surely you can at the very least understand Juliet's defensive killing of Pickett.

[Him]

and potentially the bigger picture which relates to the world..?

She is officially and unofficially barred from Othersville and all world saving agendas

According to Richard:

Ben has been wasting our time with novelties like fertility problems. We're looking for someone to remind us that we're here for more important reasons.

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[IM-LOST-WITH-LOST]

Originally Posted by KoR-evo

At every given opportunity she has whined and complained, pleading to go home and ditch her work on the island.

From what we have seen, Juliet has done her best to save the women on the island. You could see how distressed she was in her recent flashback were the pregnant woman died on the operating table and you could see pain when she spoke of the women that died. Surely you can understand why an intelligent woman who is used to success, is confused and aggrovated that she cant succeed. Juliet had every right to 'Whine & complain' about wanting to go home. She was originally supposed to be on the island for 6 months, and after her 6 months were up, she asked to go home to see her sister giving birth, (which was in a further 3months.) Juliet was told that Racheals cancer was back and that she will die. She is then left to wonder if her sister is alive or dead for a following 2 1/2 years... Would you not be a slightly upset & annoyed?

She had a job to do and I submit that she has failed in that job - in her haste to desert her job with the Others she has joined the losties and jeapodised the lives of hundreds..possibly millions. As a humanitarian she sucks!

Sorry... What!?

She has jeapodised the lives of hundreds, maybe millions!? This fertillity problem isnt something that is in the rest of the world, hence why every pregnant woman isn't dead. The problem is to do with the island... and i doubt there are millions of others floating around that island Also Ben has played a huge role in Juliets failer. She had a theory, her only chance of finding a cure, yet Ben shot it to the ground. Juliet couldnt determine if the problem occured at conception, and to test this she needed to take a woman off island, yet ben refused... which lead to her not being able to do anything else.

Does she think that Ben hasn't got enough on his plate..does she think that it's all sunshine and light for him? Of course it's not, but unlike her HE gets on with his role in this great mission.

By not letting her do her tests, he is basically ruining Juliets 'Mission'. I do see what your saying though, how selfish of juliet to try and see / speak / write to her dying sister, or trying to save every pregnant woman... yet finding it hard due to Ben's daft restrictions, Doesnt she know ben is busy trying to kill / kidnap / experiment on a plane full of people.

The darkest moment came when she helped despatch her own fellows - Danny, Pryce, Tom, Jason..all fell at her feet.

As murg said, Juliet wasn't involved in Pryce, Tom's or Jasons death. She was meerely trying to help save the lives of 3 losties... Just because she was a witness doesnt bare her responsible.

And if Juliet didn't shoot Danny, he would have killed Kate & Sawyer which was in direct defiance of Ben's orders, and ultimatley, Danny would have cost Ben is life, and his people a leader, because if Kate didn't radio in on Jack... Ben would have been left to die.

as both a doctor and a humanitarian, Juliet has failed (imho). Turncoat, sabator, fickle and selfish..that's our Jules!

Shockingly, i disagree :P but i dont think i need to go into any further detail...

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Him

According to Richard:

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Will reply to the other posts later (pushed for time at the mo)

Well that's a fair point, Him

However, at this stage I would say that Alpert's agenda is somewhat dubious. I know he's an Other but at the end of the day that means squat (look at Jules!)..it's context I look at, not group mentality. Anyway, I find it strange that Alp's would say such a thing - considering it was he who (seemingly) cannot age, thus the fertility thing is kinda related to his own ageing (or lack of) problems (i.e. both the age and fertility issues may be connected). So perhaps Alpert is fine with his ageless-ness? Perhaps he doesn't want the islands fertility (and consequently) his own lack of ageing to be solved. This would explain his own division from Ben's current agenda.

Also, your quote kinda kills itself (self-kill..cool!) because you're effectively agreeing with me when I suggest that Ben has even bigger problems to attend to than the ones we know of - which makes his work even more important and thus makes his actions even more palatable/understadable..and vindicatable (lol)!

[b-r-a-d]

she hasnt failed AT ALL! She had no responsibilty to the island and was kept there as a prisoner more than anything!

[JB Sawyer]

Jules Bashing!!!!!!!!!! *Puts on hard hat*

Juliet did not fail in her job because there was simply nothing she could do.It had proved impossible for her to help the women on the island and such her job could not be done. This is not failing. For instance, ask a man to fly; if he can't does this mean he's failed? Being unable to do something is not failing. Attempting to do something which can be done, and then giving up is failing.

On the "whining and complaining" front, she went about her job without any complaining, any questions for the period she was promised she would work for: 6 months. At the end of these 6 months Juliet, as expected, asked if she could go home. Now for example if you were told that you were going to be hired for a job for 6 months, what would you say when at the end your employer said "Sorry, you can't leave yet." This is simply basic deception for one. However Ben then goes on to further blackmail Jules by using her sister as a bargaining chip to make her stay. Does anyone condone blackmail? I don't She is then forced to stay against her will for 2 and a half more years (remember she was only told 6 months) doing work that was ultimately completely pointless as it could not work. During this time she was made to trust the man that was keeping her there that he could cure her sisters cancer. Up until over 3 years on the island, Jules didn't know if Rach was dead or alive; I'd say this was a good enough reason also to want to go home.

Also Ben was the one who prevented Jules from doing work that actually could have saved pregnant women on the island. Jules needed to take back women to the "real world" in order to conclusively prove that it was only women who conceived on the Island that died. Ben, of course, prevented her from doing this. And so to me it seems pretty logical to say that Ben (not that we don't already know this) was a terrible humanitarian and 'leader' as he stopped Jules from doing something that may have saved all those pregnant women and may just have saved the world You see Ben isn't saving it, he's stopping ways of saving it.

Originally Posted by KoR-evo

The darkest moment came when she helped despatch her own fellows - Danny, Pryce, Tom, Jason..all fell at her feet.

Just to basically repeat what Murg and ILWL said: Juliet was there when Tom, Ryan and Jason died, she didn't kill them. She was actually trying to save 4 (5 with Hurley) lives, and never once made any hint of killing the aforementioned.
She killed Pickett to save Ben, to save Sawyer and to save Kate. Had Jules not stopped Danny then Sawyer and Kate would never have been released (as per Ben's, as a results of Jack's, orders), Jack would have let Ben die and poof, no more Ben. To quote a great man "How 'bout a thank you?"

Originally Posted by KoR-evo

I know he's an Other but at the end of the day that means squat (look at Jules!)..it's context I look at, not group mentality.

Well Richard was the original Other and is therefore more Other than Ben is...

Ah liar, mainpulator, kidnapper, hypocrite, brainwasher, blackmailer, murderer, attempted murderer, accomplice in mass homicide...that's our Ben

[Murgatroyd]

Did this thread die a bit? Or did the more-pro-Juliet crowd just win?

[IM-LOST-WITH-LOST]

I think Rocco took 1 look and saw that we god him beat

[Miss Austen]

Ben is horrible to Juliet cos he fancies her! I wasn't keen on Juliet but I like her now. I don't think I could have saved the world or pregnant women if I was held against my will and someone was blackmailing me over a relative dying of cancer.

If Ben wants Juliet to return his affections this isn't the way to do it. Does he even like her or is he convinced their destiny lies together?

Whoa! Come to think of it, if Ben is convinced Juliet is HIS WOMAN - could Ben and Juliet be Adam and Eve???