Locke's losing it.

[Original]

Ok, this ep, clearly showed the end of the great mysterious Locke, he had a good run, but what the hell was he thinking last night!!!

Ok, so he just ignores the dream he had. Then he mocked his own comment. Think's Eko is foolish for following the dream. He complains when they find the hatch and again inside it!

He didn't tell Eko that in the dream he had, he fell when he was climbing!

He is slowly turning on Jack's side, last night was so weird, it was like a role reversal. Suddenly Locke became Boone, and Eko became Locke from last series. Now he isin't gonna press the button!

Locke move over old man!

(AMAZING EP BTW)

[Kiowa Warrior]

And what, may I ask, is up with that sub-heading Original? :P

Ok, so he just ignores the dream he had. Then he mocked his own comment. Think's Eko is foolish for following the dream. He complains when they find the hatch and again inside it!

Well strictly speaking he didn't ignore his dream, because he didn't deny anything that Eko correctly guessed, and looked up the cliff to indicates that's where the dream was directing them. I would say that Locke was more worried and concerned that Eko was following a dream, becuase Locke knows only too well the dangers of following dreams. I think he was wary because of his past experiences with Boone and the plane, and was trying to learn from them and not make the same mistake twice. But his natural curiosity won over, and he submitted to Eko and his dream and his own dream...even though Locke knows tht they can be dangerous, I still think that he places some faith in the belief that a higher power or something is trying to communicate to him through dreams, and that it would be worse if he didn't follow them.

And who can blame Locke for complaning about what he discovered in the hatch: the poor man's just realised that his glorious 'destiny' - that arguably cost Boone's life - is just a scientific experient that people are observing and making notes about. After putting all that blood, sweat and tears into ensuring that the button is pushed - including having his leg crushed by the blast door - I'd be devestated to discover that it was all just a waste of time!

He didn't tell Eko that in the dream he had, he fell when he was climbing!

Yeah I think Locke should have at least mentioned this to Eko...Maybe Locke knew that whatever he said Eko would climb the cliff and follow the dream's instructions no matter what, and so if Locke told Eko that he had seen him fall to his death, that might have been playing on Eko's mind as he was climbing and that distraction might make it more likely for him to fall. I just don't think Locke believed that telling Eko would make any difference.

He is slowly turning on Jack's side, last night was so weird, it was like a role reversal. Suddenly Locke became Boone, and Eko became Locke from last series. Now he isin't gonna press the button!

Locke move over old man

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I wouldn't go so far as to say that Locke is going over to Jack's 'side'; I think that Locke realises he needs Jack's help, support and knowledge, and the same goes for Jack about Locke. They have only recently (and reluctantly) admitted as such to each other and come to an uneasy truce/understanding. But I think Locke is a long way from becoming Jack's most ardent supporter.

But you're right in that during the jungle expedition, Eko was the guiding, pushing one who was being driven by a dream (like Locke in Dues Ex Machina), whereas Locke was reluctantly tagging along and questioning things (like Boone).

And Locke is finally getting back to Season 1 Locke: trekking through the jungle, making discoveries, having strange visions and contemplating his faith and destiny...Locke doesn't need to be pushed aside - he needs to be pushed to the front where he belongs!

[Original]

Still the things you preached him for, in series 1, has gone.

Now Jack is the man to lead the losties! As if he wasn't already. :P

[Kiowa Warrior]

Originally Posted by Original,September 06, 2006 09:15 pm

Still the things you preached him for, in series 1, has gone.

Now Jack is the man to lead the losties! As if he wasn't already. :P

No they haven't! They've just been very quiet for a while, but are now coming back.

And seriously, you really want smug, rude, arrogant, gun-obsessed, control freak Jack as the sole leader?

[Him]

Originally Posted by Kiowa Warrior,September 06, 2006 09:27 pm

No they haven't! They've just been very quiet for a while, but are now coming back.

And seriously, you really want smug, rude, arrogant, gun-obsessed, control freak Jack as the sole leader?

Yeah, I agree, I definitely don't think Locke's character has disappeared as you seem to be suggesting. Having a crisis of faith is nothing new for Locke - S.O.S is the most recent example but he was despairing in the Walkabout shop from early series 1 as well, from series one and in Deus Ex Machina too. His questioning of his faith makes him more interesting to watch, in comparison to his complete submission to the button, for example.

It would also be uninteresting if Locke's character never changed, never mind progress,.

[Original]

Ok, so your saying, out of Locke and Jack, you would trust Locke more to get you both saved.

He doesn't care!
He would probably say its what the island wanted and then shoot you or something

[E Pluribus Unum]

I have to say, I have questioned Lockes motives. Ok first he sees Boone covered in blood - a plane, etc etc He finds the plane - doesn't tell Boone that he 'could' get hurt - Boone dies...

Now was this new dream a test of Lockes faith? He was given a similar dream, Eko is distress. But decided to follow the island, have trust in it. I think Locke may have scored points, but I still think he's being rather 'selective' of what he says. I dunno about anyone else, but the first thing I would have mentioned was "Oh by the way Eko, you fell in the dream"

Oh by the way, I can't remember exactly, but in the dream did Eko climb the cliff side - minus his axe? Hence why his brother said 'take the axe' - he uses it to climb in 'reality'

Poses the question if there is such thing as destiny, if we perceive Lockes dream as 'what was going to happen' that would mean that Eko controlled his own destiny - and thus, not everything happens for a reason and it would seem they do have control over there fate

[Him]

Well, he sees the big picture. I don't think it's fair to say he doesn't care, if that was the case, he wouldn't get walked all over repeatedly like he let his father do.

[Kiowa Warrior]

Originally Posted by Original,September 06, 2006 10:00 pm

Ok, so your saying, out of Locke and Jack, you would trust Locke more to get you both saved.

He doesn't care!
He would probably say its what the island wanted and then shoot you or something

Oh yes I'd absolutely trust Locke! The man's just brilliant...

And I'd sooner trust the Others to save me instead of Jack :P

[Kiowa Warrior]

Originally Posted by Him,September 06, 2006 09:57 pm

Yeah, I agree, I definately don't think Locke's character has disappeared as you seem to be suggesting. Having a crisis of faith is nothing new for Locke - S.O.S is the most recent example but he was despairing in the Walkabout shop from early series 1 as well, from series one and in Deus Ex Machina too. His questioning of his faith makes him more interesting to watch, in comparison to his complete submission to the button, for example.

It would also be uninteresting if Locke's character never changed, never mind progress,.

Yes, Locke is far better to watch when he's questioning himself and the things around him, instead of being chained to the computer down the hatch doing nothing except press the button.

A large aspect of Locke's character is him both doubting his faith and embracing it, and since he does both regularly he's a fascinating character to watch (unlike other deadly dull characters I could mention).

[E Pluribus Unum]

Originally Posted by Original,September 06, 2006 10:00 pm

Ok, so your saying, out of Locke and Jack, you would trust Locke more to get you both saved.

He doesn't care!
He would probably say its what the island wanted and then shoot you or something 

Yeah this is where I have to agree. When it comes down to it [although less now since Lockes faith has depleted slightly] he would do anything to please the island - knocking Sayid out, '"giving the island its sacrifice" - is he any different to Mike? Atleast [we presume] Mike was acting out of the possibility his son might be hurt. Locke has been 'sacrificing' and knocking people out because he saw it in a dream, heard it from a whisper. Great character, but would I trust the guy if I was on the island. Eh huuh

[Original]

Thanks for agreeing with me there,

although I had that massive rant.
I still think Locke is a great character.

Whether he annoys me or not. Lost wouldnt be the same without him.
The annoying swine