Locke's possible involvement with Mittelos

[Lauren [is Lost]]

After watching sundays episode, i am becoming more convinced that there is more to Locke than meets the eye. I have a couple of possible theories in which he is linked to mittelos (or maybe dharma - anyone else confused between the 2?!). Anyway. Make of these what you will.

Ok, so we know that patchy (Mikhail?) knew Locke from somewhere. And he said "the John Locke i knew was pa..." which most people are assuming means he was going to say 'paralysed'. SO. I have 2 possible explanations for how patchy knew Locke....

1) Locke and Mikky both applied to work for Mittelos, and Mikky was accepted, whereas Locke was rejected because he was paralysed. So they knew each other from there.

2) Mittelos wanted to use Locke for some tests to do with his paralysis - they wanted to see if by sending him to the island he would be cured? Maybe they asked him to go to the island but he refused for some reason?

Hmm.....these just came from my dad pondering ideas lol. Thoughts?

[Blloydy]

I though he knew him how Juliette knew Jack and how Colleen knew Sun. They have gotten a hold of information about them, maybe not alot but at least some. And he (Patchy) seemed to know about each of the Losties that were there..

Although, I am confused about Mittelos and Dharma. Dharma was (presumably) gone long before 3 years ago (which is when Mittelos was mentioned to Juliette prior to going to the island) due to the 'purge' So perhaps Mittelos was just made up, to not arouse any suspition about Dharma and still get Juliette to go to the island?

[Murgatroyd]

Oh. Those are the first ideas linking Locke to the island that I actually quite like. I don't much go along with the notion that he's wilfully linked to anything that's going on - he seems too much in the dark for that - but I like the idea that he's inadvertantly crossed paths with Mittelos and/or Dharma. I particularly like the first suggestion: very much in line with Locke's pattern of going for greatness and getting turned down. Good stuff.

[Lauren [is Lost]]

Originally Posted by Lostie,March 21, 2007 08:45 pm

I though he knew him how Juliette knew Jack and how Colleen knew Sun. They have gotten a hold of information about them, maybe not alot but at least some. And he (Patchy) seemed to know about each of the Losties that were there..

Although, I am confused about Mittelos and Dharma. Dharma was (presumably) gone long before 3 years ago (which is when Mittelos was mentioned to Juliette prior to going to the island) due to the 'purge' So perhaps Mittelos was just made up, to not arouse any suspition about Dharma and still get Juliette to go to the island?

Yes, that would be the obvious connection, but i still think Locke knew Mikky as opposed to just Mikky knowing Locke. As people have said, it seemed quite unlike Locke's character to just kill Mikky so willingly by pushing him through the electric fence thing (lol i cant describe what it actually is :-/), and it seems to me that Locke wanted Mikky dead, probably because Mikky knew something about him that he didnt want anyone to know.

[wbzuk]

Would this also tie in with Locke wanting to go on that trip thing in his first flashback?

Maybe it was a trip to the island in the first place and he never got to go and somehow he has managed to make it to the island?

[D-Roc]

As Lostie said, i think Mikhail 'knew' Locke in the same way that Jules 'knew' Jack - the dossiers. Im not sure if Mikhail knew Locke personally..at this stage i think Mikhail had obviously observed and known about Locke..but im not sure their paths ever literally crossed before the island. Locke didnt have any 'recognition' on his face when he first saw Mikhail..

Yes the Dharma/Mittelos thing is rather confusing - i would suggest that 'either'

1. Mittelos are a new wave Dharmaesque type group..a group who have kinda taken over from Dharma..the same group which has brought the new blood to the island - Juliet, the Others and maybe the Losties..

or

2. Mittelos are Dharma but under a different trading name, so to speak. A front to protect their true identity.

But of course there may be competiting factions within Mittelos/Dharma itself..i think this is likely as how do we make the distinction between the Mittelos who already had Ethan in the ranks and hired Juliet..and Dharma who Ben was apparently on the island before.. There seems to be some overlapping of sides there- perhaps Mittelos were simply brought in to sort out the mess that Dharma made? Perhaps there 'is' a distinction between Dharma and their army 'arm' and Mittelos?: Actually thinking about it in that way, Mittelos and Dharma must be one in the same - because if Mikhail was indeed telling the truth about being in the Army, then that means that Dharma most likely did bring him to the island initially and his Others-status would also connect him to Juliet and Ethan, whom we 'know' we affiliated with Mittelos. hmm..

Anyway back to your idea about Locke being involved with Mittelos..it's possible..though i just think he is a child of Dharma (and/or Mittelos)..im not sure he knowing tried to work for them

[hundredand8]

Originally Posted by Lauren [is Lost

,March 21, 2007 08:36 pm] After watching sundays episode, i am becoming more convinced that there is more to Locke than meets the eye. I have a couple of possible theories in which he is linked to mittelos (or maybe dharma - anyone else confused between the 2?!). Anyway. Make of these what you will.

Ok, so we know that patchy (Mikhail?) knew Locke from somewhere. And he said "the John Locke i knew was pa..." which most people are assuming means he was going to say 'paralysed'. SO. I have 2 possible explanations for how patchy knew Locke....

1) Locke and Mikky both applied to work for Mittelos, and Mikky was accepted, whereas Locke was rejected because he was paralysed. So they knew each other from there.

2) Mittelos wanted to use Locke for some tests to do with his paralysis - they wanted to see if by sending him to the island he would be cured? Maybe they asked him to go to the island but he refused for some reason?

Hmm.....these just came from my dad pondering ideas lol. Thoughts?

I must admit I find Lockes actions regarding the Flame and Mikhail a bit out of character, but to kill someone just because he knew he was paralysed? Come to think about it, when did we last see Rose?

His protests "I couldn't possibly know its an ultrasound killing machine" (not his words but I can't remember them) are a bit weak, actually, aren't they. Yes he didn't know it would be ultrasound, but he probably had a good idea it was a killing machine.

[Blloydy]

Originally Posted by Lauren [is Lost

,March 21, 2007 09:55 pm]

Yes, that would be the obvious connection, but i still think Locke knew Mikky as opposed to just Mikky knowing Locke. As people have said, it seemed quite unlike Locke's character to just kill Mikky so willingly by pushing him through the electric fence thing (lol i cant describe what it actually is :-/), and it seems to me that Locke wanted Mikky dead, probably because Mikky knew something about him that he didnt want anyone to know.

I re-watched the eppy last night and I realised that it did seem like Patchy knew Locke from somewhere. He said he remembered him (or something) So yeah, I was wrong