Locke the brave

[The Wizard]

Well I was thinking maybe Locke was wrong about the button not doing anything but I just realised, whatever the consequences, Locke has prevented an experiment that is like labour where two people or in Desmond's case one person has to press a button every 108 minutes. H ehas ended the cycle! And also he was the only one who actually had the guts to stop pressing it, for however long the experiment has been going on...

[D-Roc]

Ironic that Locke took a leap of faith to push the button and the took a giant leap of faith to stop Brave in both instances i feel

[lost-lover]

Bravery, yes. But it was also his broken faith and anger at another letdown in his life which really drove him to act as he did.

[Beach Crew]

Brave? Locke had given up. He didn't believe anymore. So he didn't press the button, what's brave about that?

I'm sorry, but I don't see it.

[lost-lover]

I think they are referring to the possible destruction of the world

[Beach Crew]

Originally Posted by lost-lover,November 15, 2006 08:10 pm

I think they are referring to the possible destruction of the world

Meh, I guess it's brave he spent time saving it, but to give up so quickly....

Well....

[lost-lover]

As you say he lost his faith, I think the only thing which kept him from pushing the button anymore was his beleif he was right, and he wanted to prove it, his anger and shattered faith pushed him more than bravery in my opinion.

[Beach Crew]

Originally Posted by lost-lover,November 15, 2006 08:23 pm

As you say he lost his faith, I think the only thing which kept him from pushing the button anymore was his beleif he was right, and he wanted to prove it, his anger and shattered faith pushed him more than bravery in my opinion.

I agree with you.

He didn't so much think..."I'm a hero if I do this"....but he just kept doing it because he felt it was the right thing to do.

[lost-lover]

Yeah, I don't think he cares much about hero-status.

[St. Anger]

Not pushing the button could have melted the whole island for all Locke knew. He was brave in his decision to stand up to Eko and tell him the whole hatch concept meant nothing!

With all his faith about the hatch being "a joke", there was always the chance Locke may have been wrong and thus he showed bravery through going ahead with it.

At the same time, Locke was so 100% certain, that he possibly thought nothing bad would happen should the button not be pushed. In closing, bravery may not have come into question, because there was nothin for Locke to be brave about. He so whole-heartedly felt the hatch was all a mind-game.

[Cavegirl]

I don't think it was brave, I think it was selfish and impulsive. As with all things on the island, if he had waited for a good time, gathered the main characters together and said, "This is the evidence, I don't think we should keep pressing the button," they could have checked it out thoroughly and maybe done a risk assessment or whatever. Got Sayid to check out what the computer was actually doing, followed the cables properly to their source, and so on, rather than getting distracted and going off to play golf or pick fights with the Others. But no, he decided to get Desmond drunk enough to initiate a lock down and make it a do-or-die, now-or-never emergency situation. No wonder the Others are winning! I bet They have proper meetings, with agendas, OHPs, calender blotters and everything!

[Beach Crew]

Originally Posted by Cavegirl,November 16, 2006 01:02 pm

I don't think it was brave, I think it was selfish and impulsive. As with all things on the island, if he had waited for a good time, gathered the main characters together and said, "This is the evidence, I don't think we should keep pressing the button," they could have checked it out thoroughly and maybe done a risk assessment or whatever. Got Sayid to check out what the computer was actually doing, followed the cables properly to their source, and so on, rather than getting distracted and going off to play golf or pick fights with the Others. But no, he decided to get Desmond drunk enough to initiate a lock down and make it a do-or-die, now-or-never emergency situation. No wonder the Others are winning! I bet They have proper meetings, with agendas, OHPs, calender blotters and everything!

Thank. You.

[St. Anger]

Originally Posted by Cavegirl,November 16, 2006 11:02 am

I don't think it was brave, I think it was selfish and impulsive. As with all things on the island, if he had waited for a good time, gathered the main characters together and said, "This is the evidence, I don't think we should keep pressing the button," they could have checked it out thoroughly and maybe done a risk assessment or whatever. Got Sayid to check out what the computer was actually doing, followed the cables properly to their source, and so on, rather than getting distracted and going off to play golf or pick fights with the Others. But no, he decided to get Desmond drunk enough to initiate a lock down and make it a do-or-die, now-or-never emergency situation. No wonder the Others are winning! I bet They have proper meetings, with agendas, OHPs, calender blotters and everything!

I very highly doubt such an investigation would have discoverd whether t he button was real or not.

Well unless Columbo would have helped them

I think such a meeting would have been inconclusive and there would have been an argument and this would have added fuel to Locke's fire as regards to his belief the button was a pile of horse mess !!!

There would have been those who knew it may have ben important because of the electromagetism and those who beleved the 2 were not connected,... possibly.

But Lost is never about the Losties holding meetings,.......everything is taken care of in sub-divisions, where various groups decide on what should be done as pertains to certain events/incidents.

A meeting would have consisted of Jack, Locke, Sayid VS Eko, Desmond at that point in time [during the finale].

[Cavegirl]

I very highly doubt such an investigation would have discoverd whether t he button was real or not.

Well unless Columbo would have helped them 

Hehe, I can just imagine Peter Falk smoking cigars all over the hatch, getting ash everywhere. Slow and prosaic enough to make Locke look like a testosterone charged Jackalike!

I think such a meeting would have been inconclusive and there would have been an argument and this would have added fuel to Locke's fire as regards to his belief the button was a pile of horse mess !!!

Fair point, perhaps such a debate wouldn't have been the way to go. When I was typing my original rant, I did have a brief vision of all the Losties squabbling like two year olds!

However, there was no need to create an emergency the way he did. There were better times and circumstances under which to test out his newest theory. Just after three people have been shot, a potentially dangerous prisoner has escaped, and the most respected group protectors/leaders (rightly or wrongly the other survivors seem to look up to Jack and his deputies) - eight people no less - were trekking across the island!

[IM-LOST-WITH-LOST]

Desmond is probably the brave one, As much as i like Locke he risked everyones life just because he didnt believe. He should have took a leaf out of Jacks book and just said im not pushing it, instead he nearlly killed us all.

Desmond however risked his own life to save the world. Now thats bravery