If James Conned You...

[L-BSE*84]

Originally Posted by KoR-evo

I will..i wasnt asking for permission, lol:P lord you can be so touchy sometimesThats your choice..and their are plently of more blase discussion threads out there yes i think i might go to them for now

Perhaps people do, maybe the ones who constantly bring it up are the ones who forget Surely Lost being a tv show goes without saying

yes but my point below is explaining what i meant by this

Well if people tell me theyre a murderer or that they support murder/execution, then i happen to believe them..it's either that or they like to lie over the internet

Well indeed and there are plently of less heated/deep Lost forums out there, ive got a list if anyone wants the addy. No problem at all

i doubt people are lying, you're missing my point.
and no its cool, i dont need a list, i am able to search for lost sites if and when i need to

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Murgatroyd

Yeah, but a fictional character's being made to eradicate another fictional character isn't murder... it's a representation of murder, but it's no crime in itself because you can't commit a crime against a fictional character. And I'd simply advise questioning what it is that people are really whooping about in this particular case - they might be applying real-life sentiments, yes, but they might just be happy that an unpleasant collection of scripted actions and dialogue and backstory has been written out by another.

Sorry, I disagree..
So what if it was about the r*pe of a person (man or women)..and people were applying the same level of support/glee/etc as they are over Ford executing Cooper..what would you say then?

I think, my point as been made: Be it fictional or otherwise, if you shouldnt justify murder. Ok, it may be understandable..but several people here are justifying or excusing it?

Would they also excuse 'fictional' r*pe or child abuse?

Exactly..

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by L-BSE*84

i doubt people are lying, you're missing my point.
and no its cool, i dont need a list, i am able to search for lost sites if and when i need to

Sorry, i cant reply to your responses above, theyre quoted non-reply-friendly

I dont think im missing the point - how so
Good stuff:P

[L-BSE*84]

lol, eh? non-reply friendly?! i dont get it...

my point was that people maybe saying they defend sawyer, but in reality, if it happened in real life they probably wouldnt. its kind of the same point that murg made. in that sense its important that remember that a tv show=real life and how people react to something on tv, isnt necesarily how they would react to it in real life.

you're example of rape/child abuse is not the same as what happened with sawyer...i hope you can see that.

good stuff?! im confused by this too

[Murgatroyd]

Originally Posted by KoR-evo

Sorry, I disagree..
So what if it was about the r*pe of a person (man or women)..and people were applying the same level of support/glee/etc as they are over Ford executing Cooper..what would you say then?

I think, my point as been made: Be it fictional or otherwise, if you shouldnt justify murder. Ok, it may be understandable..but several people here are justifying or excusing it?

Would they also excuse 'fictional' r*pe or child abuse?

Exactly..

Of course not, but I don't think it's an exact comparison at all. A fictional murder removes a character from a work of fiction. While I can accept that a certain and specific degree of pleasure might be gleaned from the eradication of a disliked character from a less than realistic TV series - how many people have been aggrieved at Desmond's continuing to save Charlie's life, for example, without being called murder-supporters? - I can't see what kind of support a fictional rape would engender (in a decent person, obviously).

And you have to take genre into account as well. We'd never be having these discussion if Lost was a comedy, nor if it was a sufficiently realistic series that it didn't have shallow, cartoony villians like Cooper who are practically inviting viewers to treat as a pantomine crook, shouting 'boo' when he comes on the screen. As it is, I personally think that, whatever you feel about Cooper, the effect on Sawyer's conscience should be enough to keep 'glee' well off the list of emotions it's possible to feel right now. But I don't think I've seen much in the way of 'glee' on this forum.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by L-BSE*84

lol, eh? non-reply friendly?! i dont get it...

Some of you replies messed up the quote format and made it difficult for me to reply. I think you use colours to highlight your responses, but with this forums multi-quote system there is no real need for it. Not to worry, just letting you know why i didnt respond to everything

my point was that people maybe saying they defend sawyer, but in reality, if it happened in real life they probably wouldnt. its kind of the same point that murg made. in that sense its important that remember that a tv show=real life and how people react to something on tv, isnt necesarily how they would react to it in real life.

Well my point still applies..either theyre pulling my leg, being overtly biased towards rusty-chain or theyre lying over the internet about their true stance on murder in order to protect their allegience to Sawyer

How many times are you going to say that Lost is a TV show..and yet you critise the amount of threads that ive made on the subject:P ..as i said, it's all relative

you're example of rape/child abuse is not the same as what happened with sawyer...i hope you can see that.

You miss the point completly..or you're pulling my leg.
Ok, let me break it down again.

Now..several people are supporting the execution of Cooper..now under your own stance we should remember that this is 'only a tv show'..ok fair enough..

However..would you be so lenient towards the people who are supporting a fictional execution, if instead of it being the portrayal of execution, it was the portrayl of r*pe or child abuse?

I dont think you would..

So were do you draw the line then, Lis?

Afterall you seem to think that because it's a fictional show, that I shouldnt be so hard on those supporting execution..well, what if Sawyer r*ped someone on the show or abused a child..it would still be fictional under your own stance..but would you be so lenient then?

My point in case.

Vindication!

[Mrs Ferg]

No.

I have siad this in another post but I do not think I would ever be driven to murder someone. I am not sure how I would react if someone, for example, raped my sister, or, if I had children, hurt one of them. I would want them to suffer but I dont think I could ever kill them (they would have to be heavily sedeated anyway, me not so strong). I would defintily not be driven to murder if someone had conned me or a loved one.

[StoneRose]

I think until your put into that particular situation its very hard to predict how you would react. I honestly dont know tbh. I hope I would never resort to murder, but if im being honest I dont honestly know what I'd do.

[E Pluribus Unum]

Sadly, what we *want* and what we *do* can sometimes be different things: I don't particularly want to have to kill anyone, but I'm pretty much in belief that we are a slave to our emotions; unless you have some kind of Zen/Vulcan control over them (but then it's still controlling you..!)

(Obviously you're trying to play off of peoples love of Sawyer)
Ideally, no I wouldn't want to kill him - but there's no way could I answer 100% that I wouldn't . Not because I like Sawyer, but because like I mentioned above - we'd like to think we're in control - but we're really really not. (In my opinion)

Murder - kidnapping - r*pe = wrong

[L-BSE*84]

Originally Posted by KoR-evo

However..would you be so lenient towards the people who are supporting a fictional execution, if instead of it being the portrayal of execution, it was the portrayl of r*pe or child abuse?

I dont think you would..

So were do you draw the line then, Lis?

Afterall you seem to think that because it's a fictional show, that I shouldnt be so hard on those supporting execution..well, what if Sawyer r*ped someone on the show or abused a child..it would still be fictional under your own stance..but would you be so lenient then?

My point in case.

Vindication!

you keep saying its all relative, yet do you not see that this too is relative? sawyer murdering cooper, was backed up by a tragic story and the fact that cooper was scum- it makes it much more understandable for viewers/sawyer fans to take his side.

you keep saying child abuse and rape as if they were the same as what happened. yes i am saying that what we feel about a tv show is most probably different to how we would feel about it real life, but this applies to the sawyer case. and in no way does it apply to child abuse or rape.

using examples of abuse/rape in place of a man who was out for revenge is a very poor example, which i think you're just using for shock value?

and just so we're clear, how exactly am i being lenient? i have said on several posts i dont support sawyers actions, but that it is understandable

[James]

Cooper was probably the most unrealistic character on lost all we have ever seen him do is bad deeds and the only motivation we have seen is greed. Cooper was not written as a sympathetic character he was written as a villan for people to hate, he had ruined both Sawyers and Lockes lifes characters which most people sypathise with. So I think it is important to remember it is a tv show as in real life it is very unlikely to meet people as bad as Cooper.

[L-BSE*84]

you make a good point james

[The_abbott]

James may have fired the gun but Locke supplied the ammo.