If James Conned You...

[L-BSE*84]

Originally Posted by KoR-evo

Yes..murder is never right.

no you're right its not. but like i said before, lets hope none of us ever put in that situation, because only then would you really know, what you were capable of- my point is, none of us really know what we are capable of, until we are put on the spot

[The_other_other]

Originally Posted by KoR-evo

But my point is, would you hunt him down and make it your lifes ambition to murder James? Because thats what James did..James was always going to murder Cooper whenever he met him..it was his ambition..he even carried hat letter around on the off chance that he would still one day need it.

So i guess my point is more about whether you would plan to execute him, like how James planned to execute Cooper (the real Sawyer)

Btw, everyone is 'capable' of murder..the difference with Ford is that he planned to do it..it wasnt off the cuff.

ahh ok, i understand you better now. I suspect i would plan revenge, but i doubt id continue with it for long, id probably calm down eventually and think better of it in a year or so.

But of course its down to what happens to me between losing my parents and meeting sawyer. If my life took a turn for the worse, then i may well look for a scapegoat, who would most likely be sawyer, and then my hatred could actually grow as time progresses. If my life turned out ok, then i would forget about him, and if i met him i would probably forgive him.

Of course everyone is capable of murder, but you cant deny that some find it easier than others

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by L-BSE*84

yes, of course i understand your right to freedom of speech, but the point im trying to make is that we all know what point you're making. its just going back and forth. no one is going to turn around and say, 'yep, i think you're right... i change my mind' we all know what both sides (ok maybe there are 3 sides)**have to say and how they feel on the matter...

But im not making my points for your benefit..im making them because that is my right. Of course no-one is going to say im right because that would mean them losing face..the point is that i am expressing my opinion on a forum and i will continhue to do so. If people dont like it then thats their problem.

i doubt anyone is defending murder- its not black and white... i guess sawyer fans feel they want to and need to stand by sawyer no matter what...personally i dont understand this, but it is after all a tv show...

Well you're wrong..people are and HAVE defended Coopers murder (run a search and you will see)..therefore there are ground on which to challegen this (imo) savage viewpoint.

But the thing im saying, is why defend the indefensible? By defending murder what does that say about the individuals who are defending it? Yes, it's a tv show but id think twice before selling my morals to the devil merely to make a 'biased' stand. So, either people are lying about their views on the issue, or they're pro-murder. These are serious and interesting issues that we are dealing with..im sorry that you cannot see that

And please dont run that 'it's a tv show' routine..we all know it's a tv show..lets get past that now.

[The_other_other]

Originally Posted by L-BSE*84

no you're right its not. but like i said before, lets hope none of us ever put in that situation, because only then would you really know, what you were capable of- my point is, none of us really know what we are capable of, until we are put on the spot

what ive been saying since this episode aired, people are to quick to make predictions.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by L-BSE*84

no you're right its not. but like i said before, lets hope none of us ever put in that situation, because only then would you really know, what you were capable of- my point is, none of us really know what we are capable of, until we are put on the spot

Yes, but if a person says that they would kill him..then that gives us a great indication of their stance on execution..and it also potentially highlights their bias from previous discussions where theyve been under the guise of anti-murder.

Trust me..there is a point to this..

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Easily confused

No I wouldn't murder anyone and I didn't exactly support Coopers execution but I did think it made excellent viewing (the whole episode not just the muder part (and not for the murder itself but for the way it was acted))

Yes, i also thought it was riviting tv. Glad you're not a pro-murderer

[L-BSE*84]

Originally Posted by KoR-evo

But im not making my points for your benefit..im making them because that is my right. Of course no-one is going to say im right because that would mean them losing face..the point is that i am expressing my opinion on a forum and i will continhue to do so. If people dont like it then thats their problem.

Well you're wrong..people are and HAVE defended Coopers murder (run a search and you will see)..therefore there are ground on which to challegen this (imo) savage viewpoint.

But the thing im saying, is why defend the indefensible? By defending murder what does that say about the individuals who are defending it? Yes, it's a tv show but id think twice before selling my morals to the devil merely to make a 'biased' stand. So, either people are lying about their views on the issue, or they're pro-murder. These are serious and interesting issues that we are dealing with..im sorry that you cannot see that

And please dont run that 'it's a tv show' routine..we all know it's a tv show..lets get past that now.

express away whatever you feel like expressing, in future i will not post in threads that i know, i am just going to get furstrated at.

i think its important that we all remember that this is a tv show... and whilst people may say its ok (or whatever it is they have said about sawyer) in reality they would not support murder(if in fact it is murder, and not self defence or anything similar) and i believe that is true for most people. so no, i guess i wont get past the fact that it is a tv show. yes it brings out serious discusions , and that is a good thing...but its still a show nonetheless.

[Murgatroyd]

Originally Posted by KoR-evo

Yes, but if a person says that they would kill him..then that gives us a great indication of their stance on execution..and it also potentially highlights their bias from previous discussions where theyve been under the guise of anti-murder.

Trust me..there is a point to this..

That's kind of a fair point, to be honest - if people who haven't actually been through Sawyer's specific trauma are able to clear-mindedly say 'I'd kill him', that's not the same as Sawyer's post-trauma decision to seek real vengence. Though it's nicer to assume those people are just extraordinarily imaginative and/or are pulling your leg than to say they've sold their morals to the devil.

[Murgatroyd]

I also think it's important to remember it's a TV show, by the way, though it's one I watch very differently to any other TV show. I mean, people have cheered at the 'good guys' (you know, batman and that) for killing the 'bad guys' in fiction as long as fiction's been around, and they've been falling in love with moustache-twirling villains too, but it doesn't actually make them moral vacuums. We do tend to look at TV differently to real life and I'd certainly think twice before judging someone on their TV show allegiances.

[L-BSE*84]

Originally Posted by KoR-evo

Yes, but if a person says that they would kill him..then that gives us a great indication of their stance on execution..and it also potentially highlights their bias from previous discussions where theyve been under the guise of anti-murder.

Trust me..there is a point to this..

well of course sawyer murdered cooper, and in a eyes of the law, he would be gulity- i have said this many times before...i dont support what he did, lets just get that clear!

[L-BSE*84]

Originally Posted by Murgatroyd

I also think it's important to remember it's a TV show, by the way, though it's one I watch very differently to any other TV show. I mean, people have cheered at the 'good guys' (you know, batman and that) for killing the 'bad guys' in fiction as long as fiction's been around, and they've been falling in love with moustache-twirling villains too, but it doesn't actually make them moral vacuums. We do tend to look at TV differently to real life and I'd certainly think twice before judging someone on their TV show allegiances.

yes, this is exactly the point im trying to make in my above post

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by L-BSE*84

express away whatever you feel like expressing, in future i will not post in threads that i know, i am just going to get furstrated at.

I will..i wasnt asking for permission, lol:P
Thats your choice..and their are plently of more blase discussion threads out there

i think its important that we all remember that this is a tv show...

Perhaps people do, maybe the ones who constantly bring it up are the ones who forget Surely Lost being a tv show goes without saying

and whilst people may say its ok (or whatever it is they have said about sawyer) in reality they would not support murder(if in fact it is murder, and not self defence or anything similar) and i believe that is true for most people. so no, i guess i wont get past the fact that it is a tv show. yes it brings out serious discusions , and that is a good thing...but its still a show nonetheless.

Well if people tell me theyre a murderer or that they support murder/execution, then i happen to believe them..it's either that or they like to lie over the internet

Well indeed and there are plently of less heated/deep Lost forums out there, ive got a list if anyone wants the addy. No problem at all

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Murgatroyd

I also think it's important to remember it's a TV show, by the way, though it's one I watch very differently to any other TV show. I mean, people have cheered at the 'good guys' (you know, batman and that) for killing the 'bad guys' in fiction as long as fiction's been around, and they've been falling in love with moustache-twirling villains too, but it doesn't actually make them moral vacuums. We do tend to look at TV differently to real life and I'd certainly think twice before judging someone on their TV show allegiances.

Lost is a TV show..for real!?:P

Yes, of course we all look at things differently, but when it comes to murder, i would never support it over any medium and people who do have issues or they perhaps could be a danger to society. Perhaps one day they will become confused about reality and fantasy..perhaps those are the people who will one day support murder in real life..who knows

Me? Murder is wrong..period I will not support it over any medium..to support something means that i believe in it..i do not believe in man taking another mans life..though evidently others do. But thats life i guess