The Trial of James Sawyer Ford

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by L-BSE*84

also what do you mean by a trail? surely, we know sawyer is guilty of murder, we all saw it!

Would you believe that there are those among us who would argue that point.

We all saw it but it seems that some fail to believe it..or if they dok, they owuld rather focus on Ben and Lockes involvement rather than admit that their boy done bad

[StoneRose]

Originally Posted by KoR-evo

it's gonna take awhile before you let go of that old chesnut isnt it Stones':P

How many ways can i say 'bigger picture'??

Did you not see the beam on Cindys face last night? What more proof do you need Stonie? Do you not see Aaron alive and well..?

Stonie i realise that this is a difficult day ofr all Sawyer fans but come on, lets keep the perspective here.

No-one has ever said that the Others do no wrong..so i dont know where that has come from. As ive said..good..evil..it's all relative Stones'..and when it boils down to it, your people are murderers!

I always said that this season would reveal who the REAL good and bad guys were..and right now im feeling pretty darn chuffed with myself. Locke told us back in 2x14 that it's "all relative", but you all chose not to listen! Im merely preaching what he told us back in the day..**and so far what he said is true.

Yes the Others have to get their hands dirty..but you know what..at least they arent blood-stained.

RIP Sawyers Soul

Yes, you cannot defend kidnapping children. Bigger picture or not. I'm sure the parents of little maddie who was kidnapped in portugal would not agree with the fact' oh as long as she is eventually returned safely then its okay becasue the 'bigger picture' turned out fine'. Kidnapp regardless of the bigger picture is WRONG. Stop defending it.

And again, because aaron and claire were returned safley does this mean that the fact claire was drugged and kidnapped is okay. After all the 'bigger picture' is okay now. I dont get where your coming from.

'my ppl are murderes'? Who are my ppl? I'm not defending sawyer for what he did, he was wrong, thats got nothing to do with my argument. What I' getting at is that you seem to think the others do no wrong yet everytime a lostie commits a sin they are hung drawn and quartered by yourself. Have a little consistency and stop being so biast. The others have done some equally bad things Rocco, its not just the losties who have commited sins/crimes.

Ben was being alovley human being tying cooper up to a tree and telling locke to murder him wasnt he.........

[L-BSE*84]

if this trail is based on whether sawyer is guilty of murder or not then the trial is pointless.

however killing someone is not always wrong- self defence for example. sawyer was emoitonaly driven (and i TOTALLY understand why he was) but it obviously wasnt self defence or similar- thus he is a muderer. what would be the point of a trail?

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by JB_Sawyer

Well it's nice that you think you've already won KoR but you haven't actually answered me yet. Are we gonna do this properly and have an official trial, me and you, or are you just gonna say that you've won without actually doing anything. I'm offering the chance to do this civilised KoR, do you accept the position of Prosecutor or not?

Yes well that was more in jest and glee at a crucial point which i had identified

See, i would normally agree to your offer, but that was pre-Ethan debacle. I saw people stand in that dock and send Ethan down because they dislike the Others - something i would never ever do to Sawyer. They based their decision on predjudice against Ethan and the Others..you only have to look back at the empty verdicts to see that, imo.

Im not one to get screwed over too often..like Locke i learn from my lessons and to throw myself at the mercy of Pro-Sawyer people would be foolish of me. Im sorry to say but i dont trust some of the people here. I just dont trust potential jurers..sorry, but that sthe truth..i aint gonna lie, lol

If there was a way to prevent bias, then maybe..but i know that some of the people here would never send Sawyer down no matter what. I sense that those who claim me to be bias actually sense bias in their own arguments.

'I guess i got trust issues':P

[esn]

Island crimes tribunal dudes, thats the way to go. Island crimes tribunal I tells you.

[JB Sawyer]

Originally Posted by KoR-evo

Yes well that was more in jest and glee at a crucial point which i had identified

See, i would normally agree to your offer, but that was pre-Ethan debacle. I saw people stand in that dock and send Ethan down because they dislike the Others - something i would never ever do to Sawyer. They based their decision on predjudice against Ethan and the Others..you only have to look back at the empty verdicts to see that, imo.

Im not one to get screwed over too often..like Locke i learn from my lessons and to throw myself at the mercy of Pro-Sawyer people would be foolish of me. Im sorry to say but i dont trust some of the people here. I just dont trust potential jurers..sorry, but that sthe truth..i aint gonna lie, lol

If there was a way to prevent bias, then maybe..but i know that some of the people here would never send Sawyer down no matter what. I sense that those who claim me to be bias actually sense bias in their own arguments.

'I guess i got trust issues':P

Well the only thing I can think of is if you pick the jury but I have to agree. Obviously you can't just go and pick people who hate Sawyer. By the way obviously this isn't a trial for whether Sawyer murdererd Cooper but whether he is a cold blooded killer and an unforgivable murderer. Or that's what I thought the trial was lol.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by StoneRose

Yes, you cannot defend kidnapping children. Bigger picture or not. I'm sure the parents of little maddie who was kidnapped in portugal would not agree with the fact' oh as long as she is eventually returned safely then its okay becasue the 'bigger picture' turned out fine'. Kidnapp regardless of the bigger picture is WRONG. Stop defending it.

Oh Christ
Seriously stone is this all youve got? This is all you bring up each and every time

Little Maddie? I think you're getting this tv show confused with real life..surely you well know that the island is not a real world situation - hence why i often make the "wild" distinction. Lets not get this twisted..and you well know what you're trying to do. It's not pretty Stonie

At the end of the day Cindy and the kids are fine..the situation is not the same as the one you speak of..can you not see that? What wouyld you prefer..Emma and zack to get eaten by Smokey or for them to be in a safe/protective environment? What would you prefer, Stones'?

I dont get where your coming from.

And im quite glad that you dont..because there lies the distinction between my views and yours We rarely ever agree and im glad that we dont because i seriously dont agree with much that you say when it comes to Lost.

Dont get me wrong, you could be right with all that you say and i could be wrong. I just doubt it

'my ppl are murderes'? Who are my ppl?

Whats "ppl"? This isnt text-speak-community

I'm not defending sawyer for what he did, he was wrong, thats got nothing to do with my argument. What I' getting at is that you seem to think the others do no wrong yet everytime a lostie commits a sin they are hung drawn and quartered by yourself. Have a little consistency and stop being so biast.

I think you'll find that im one of the momst consistent forumers here. Look back at my posts..i think inconsistency is the last thing that you can accuse me of.

Listen, when im wrong, i'll admit..dont hate because ive been right more oftne than not. Im sure my luck will runout soon enough. Or not..who knows, huh

The others have done some equally bad things Rocco, its not just the losties who have commited sins/crimes.

Stones', have i ever said that the Others are angels who do not wrong? I said that they have to sometimes get their hands dirty..but it still doesnt make them as bad as your losties. I mean look at your lot: Sayid..Kate..Sawyer. Man i feel sorry for you!

Ben was being alovley human being tying cooper up to a tree and telling locke to murder him wasnt he.........

I dont know how many times ive had to explain this already. Do you readily believe every scene which is presented to you as cannon? Did you not sense an underlying agenda to what Ben was doing there? Lest we forget the bunny incident - Ben always has a shadow objective..afterall, do you not think that Ben would want for Locke to rid himself of Cooper and for Locke to not have blood on his hands? And go figure..thats exactly what transpired - Ben is a genius! Dont be fooled by screen presentation..there is often an underlying motive when it comes to Ben

The above is my opinion..no flaming please

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by esn

Island crimes tribunal dudes, thats the way to go.**Island crimes tribunal I tells you.

You just want to take people down, dont you esn! Murderer! *joking*:P

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by JB_Sawyer

Well the only thing I can think of is if you pick the jury but I have to agree. Obviously you can't just go and pick people who hate Sawyer. By the way obviously this isn't a trial for whether Sawyer murdererd Cooper but whether he is a cold blooded killer and an unforgivable murderer. Or that's what I thought the trial was lol.

The thing is there is no-one here who hates Sawyer - even i dont hate him. But there are pletnly who hate the Others..like literally *hate* them..which i find slightly worrying Anyhoo, im not sure if that would be fair if i picked..im a reasonable man..i do things fairly.

The trial (from my perspective) would be about whether Sawyer was justified in murdering Cooper..bearing in mind that it could be argued that Locke had more reason to murder him, yet chose not to...

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by L-BSE*84

if this trail is based on whether sawyer is guilty of murder or not then the trial is pointless.

however killing someone is not always wrong- self defence for example. sawyer was emoitonaly driven (and i TOTALLY understand why he was) but it obviously wasnt self defence or similar- thus he is a muderer. what would be the point of a trail?

Indeed, he is a murderer.
I suppose the point is that every murderer deserves his day.. those who want to protect him and those who feel that justice should prevail. Me? Im on the side of justice

[JB Sawyer]

Originally Posted by KoR-evo

The thing is there is no-one here who hates Sawyer - even i dont hate him. But there are pletnly who hate the Others..like literally *hate* them..which i find slightly worrying Anyhoo, im not sure if that would be fair if i picked..im a reasonable man..i do things fairly.

The trial (from my perspective) would be about whether Sawyer was justified in murdering Cooper..bearing in mind that it could be argued that Locke had more reason to murder him, yet chose not to...

Aye I suppose you're right that no-one here actually hates him but I think it would be fair to say that there are many who dislike him. True there are Other haters, but I don't think the Others really come into this one to be honest. Yeah Ben in inevitably involved, but I hope that people are honest enough to base their decision on our cases rather than WATO and WATL and all that rubbish lol. Well if we let those who want to be the jury and if either of us aren't happy or feel there will be bias we simply won't let them on the jury. Harsh I know but sometimes this world's tough

I absolutely agree. That's what I thought it was about all along. So are we going ahead then? Obviously it'll have to be in a couple of days or so coz I've got alot of revision to be doing but up to you.

[esn]

Originally Posted by KoR-evo

You just want to take people down, dont you esn! Murderer! *joking*:P

I just think that it will be in everyones interests if we sort it all out once and for all. Of course, we will have to wait till the shows end. Heck im enjoying being a supporter of the ture good guys on lost