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The_other_other · 01-04-2007, 02:12 PM

Now from what i can gather the common view is that the others contacted michael to set him up and manipulate him. However, looking back, it seemed to me that the only reason they wanted him was to get ben back, yet when Michael was contacted Ben had not yet made his appearence, so the others couldnt have planned it. This makes me think that maybe it was walt who contacted Michael, and the others used him as a spur of the moment thing.

Now im not sure what it could mean, but it does open the possibility that there is a means of communication in the others village which can be used without detection. Of course im probably wrong

IM-LOST-WITH-LOST · 01-04-2007, 02:16 PM

Maybe it was all a plan, but ben wasnt counting on sayid digging up the grave. if this hadnt happened ben would have been accepted. he then would have been trusted... then he could have told jack about his tumour and hope he would operate...

Blloydy · 01-04-2007, 02:17 PM

Hmm, are you talking about in the hatch, on the computer?

I think it was the others, Walt said that they weren't who they said they were and that they were pretending. So he obviously knew that they weren't hillbillies, and was probably being kept somwhere else, so why would he lead Michael to their fake camp?

btw, there's a bit about this in the survivour section in the Walt part with some interesting points. I've written more about it in there.

The_other_other · 01-04-2007, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by IM-LOST-WITH-LOST,January 04, 2007 12:16 pm

Maybe it was all a plan, but ben wasnt counting on sayid digging up the grave. if this hadnt happened ben would have been accepted. he then would have been trusted... then he could have told jack about his tumour and hope he would operate...

that sounds like a very big risk to take. Not like Ben at all. No, im pretty sure Ben didnt intend to be captured

The_other_other · 01-04-2007, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lostie,January 04, 2007 12:17 pm

Hmm, are you talking about in the hatch, on the computer?

I think it was the others, Walt said that they weren't who they said they were and that they were pretending. So he obviously knew that they weren't hillbillies, and was probably being kept somwhere else, so why would he lead Michael to their fake camp?

btw, there's a bit about this in the survivour section in the Walt part with some interesting points. I've written more about it in there.

but michael didnt actually make it to where he was told to go if i remember correctly, he ran into tom and picket, before being kidnapped.

IM-LOST-WITH-LOST · 01-04-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by The_other_other,January 04, 2007 12:20 pm

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Originally Posted by IM-LOST-WITH-LOST,January 04, 2007 12:16 pm

Maybe it was all a plan, but ben wasnt counting on sayid digging up the grave. if this hadnt happened ben would have been accepted. he then would have been trusted... then he could have told jack about his tumour and hope he would operate...

that sounds like a very big risk to take. Not like Ben at all. No, im pretty sure Ben didnt intend to be captured

If he didnt intend getting captured then why did he tell sayid to go and check out his story?? i think it was all a set-up

The_other_other · 01-04-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by IM-LOST-WITH-LOST,January 04, 2007 12:27 pm

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Originally Posted by The_other_other,January 04, 2007 12:20 pm

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Originally Posted by IM-LOST-WITH-LOST,January 04, 2007 12:16 pm

Maybe it was all a plan, but ben wasnt counting on sayid digging up the grave. if this hadnt happened ben would have been accepted. he then would have been trusted... then he could have told jack about his tumour and hope he would operate...

that sounds like a very big risk to take. Not like Ben at all. No, im pretty sure Ben didnt intend to be captured

If he didnt intend getting captured then why did he tell sayid to go and check out his story?? i think it was all a set-up

i think he intended to contact certain losties, but he didnt want to be kidnapped. I dont think the parachute was a plan, i think he knew about it and decided to use it as his alliby on the spur of the moment. Bens a clever man, he wouldnt have spent so long thinking of a plan if it had such a major flaw

IM-LOST-WITH-LOST · 01-04-2007, 02:34 PM

im undecided on this...

The_abbott · 01-04-2007, 02:45 PM

I always found it odd he appeared to SHannon (through Vincent maybe but where was Vincent the second and third times she saw Walt?) and not to Michael directly who was on the island when Shannon was getting visions.

Michael's his dad. So odd he would prefer to see Shannon. Maybe Walt had a crush on her

The_other_other · 01-04-2007, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The_abbott,January 04, 2007 12:45 pm

I always found it odd he appeared to SHannon (through Vincent maybe but where was Vincent the second and third times she saw Walt?) and not to Michael directly who was on the island when Shannon was getting visions.

Michael's his dad. So odd he would prefer to see Shannon. Maybe Walt had a crush on her

yeah, you would go for the hot chick over your dad id have thought

Seriously though i dont think that was walt, i think it was the black smoke taking his form and manipulating events

***D-Roc*** · 01-04-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The_other_other,January 04, 2007 01:12 pm

Now from what i can gather the common view is that the others contacted michael to set him up and manipulate him. However, looking back, it seemed to me that the only reason they wanted him was to get ben back, yet when Michael was contacted Ben had not yet made his appearence, so the others couldnt have planned it. This makes me think that maybe it was walt who contacted Michael, and the others used him as a spur of the moment thing.

Now im not sure what it could mean, but it does open the possibility that there is a means of communication in the others village which can be used without detection. Of course im probably wrong

I think there is Other means of communication (pardon the pun). I think that we should perhaps also bear in mind that Walt can probably remote view and send messages through his minds eye and all that jazz..

However i think that Bea (Mrs Klugh) confirmed what happened when she said:

"There's been a development, Michael.."

Which i interpret to mean that it was indeed them who posed as Walt and contacted Mike via the computer..but that it they originally took Mike for a different reason - that being to help them understand Walt better. I imagine that they'd hit a brick wall with Walt after some initially impressive results - "We got more than we bargained for when we had Walt" (Ben) and they thought that perhaps Mike could help them unlock Walk further. My bet, is that they wanted Walt to help save Ben

Anyway, the Others usually have 2 or 3 contingency plans running at the same time and so when they saw that Ben's 'hatch plan' was failing they had to change their other plan with Mike and send him back on a rescue mission. One thing about the Others is that theyre very adaptable..and thats what they did with regards to this change of plan, imo.

Thats how i interpreted it anyway

The_other_other · 01-04-2007, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KoR-evo,January 04, 2007 12:48 pm

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Originally Posted by The_other_other,January 04, 2007 01:12 pm

Now from what i can gather the common view is that the others contacted michael to set him up and manipulate him. However, looking back, it seemed to me that the only reason they wanted him was to get ben back, yet when Michael was contacted Ben had not yet made his appearence, so the others couldnt have planned it. This makes me think that maybe it was walt who contacted Michael, and the others used him as a spur of the moment thing.

Now im not sure what it could mean, but it does open the possibility that there is a means of communication in the others village which can be used without detection. Of course im probably wrong

I think there is Other means of communication (pardon the pun). I think that we should perhaps also bear in mind that Walt can probably remote view and send messages through his minds eye and all that jazz..

However i think that Bea (Mrs Klugh) confirmed what happened when she said:

"There's been a development, Michael.."

Which i interpret to mean that it was indeed them who posed as Walt and contacted Mike via the computer..but that it they originally took Mike for a different reason - that being to help them understand Walt better. I imagine that they'd hit a brick wall with Walt after some initially impressive results - "We got more than we bargained for when we had Walt" (Ben) and they thought that perhaps Mike could help them unlock Walk further. My bet, is that they wanted Walt to help save Ben

Anyway, the Others usually have 2 or 3 contingency plans running at the same time and so when they saw that Ben's 'hatch plan' was failing they had to change their other plan with Mike and send him back on a rescue mission. One thing about the Others is that theyre very adaptable..and thats what they did with regards to this change of plan, imo.

Thats how i interpreted it anyway

yes i suppose thats probably the case. Im not sure, its just they (picket) seemed surprised to see michael, and we all know how good the others are at acting all-knowing and thinking on their feet, but you are probably right.

The_abbott · 01-04-2007, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The_other_other,January 04, 2007 12:47 pm

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Originally Posted by The_abbott,January 04, 2007 12:45 pm

I always found it odd he appeared to SHannon (through Vincent maybe but where was Vincent the second and third times she saw Walt?) and not to Michael directly who was on the island when Shannon was getting visions.

Michael's his dad. So odd he would prefer to see Shannon. Maybe Walt had a crush on her 

yeah, you would go for the hot chick over your dad id have thought

Seriously though i dont think that was walt, i think it was the black smoke taking his form and manipulating events

I think it was Walt. Mrs Klugh did ask Michael if hes appeared in places he shouldn't.

The_other_other · 01-04-2007, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The_abbott,January 04, 2007 12:51 pm

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Originally Posted by The_other_other,January 04, 2007 12:47 pm

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Originally Posted by The_abbott,January 04, 2007 12:45 pm

I always found it odd he appeared to SHannon (through Vincent maybe but where was Vincent the second and third times she saw Walt?) and not to Michael directly who was on the island when Shannon was getting visions.

Michael's his dad. So odd he would prefer to see Shannon. Maybe Walt had a crush on her*

yeah, you would go for the hot chick over your dad id have thought

Seriously though i dont think that was walt, i think it was the black smoke taking his form and manipulating events

I think it was Walt. Mrs Klugh did ask Michael if hes appeared in places he shouldn't.

Do you think maybe walt is him?

***D-Roc*** · 01-04-2007, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by The_other_other,January 04, 2007 01:51 pm

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Originally Posted by KoR-evo,January 04, 2007 12:48 pm

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Originally Posted by The_other_other,January 04, 2007 01:12 pm

Now from what i can gather the common view is that the others contacted michael to set him up and manipulate him. However, looking back, it seemed to me that the only reason they wanted him was to get ben back, yet when Michael was contacted Ben had not yet made his appearence, so the others couldnt have planned it. This makes me think that maybe it was walt who contacted Michael, and the others used him as a spur of the moment thing.

Now im not sure what it could mean, but it does open the possibility that there is a means of communication in the others village which can be used without detection. Of course im probably wrong

I think there is Other means of communication (pardon the pun). I think that we should perhaps also bear in mind that Walt can probably remote view and send messages through his minds eye and all that jazz..

However i think that Bea (Mrs Klugh) confirmed what happened when she said:

"There's been a development, Michael.."

Which i interpret to mean that it was indeed them who posed as Walt and contacted Mike via the computer..but that it they originally took Mike for a different reason - that being to help them understand Walt better. I imagine that they'd hit a brick wall with Walt after some initially impressive results - "We got more than we bargained for when we had Walt" (Ben) and they thought that perhaps Mike could help them unlock Walk further. My bet, is that they wanted Walt to help save Ben

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