Penny & the outside world

[StoneRose]

Hi, sorry if this has been discussed I've been away for a while and havent had a chance to read all the posts.

After seeing the way season 2 ended with Penny & the guys in what i'm assuming is the arctic or somwhere similar, I guess season3 is going to be showing a lot of the outside world in 'real time'. Something which we havent had yet on lost.

We've seen the 'outside world' through flashbacks but havent actually seen what has been happening there while the losties have been on the island as the eppys have focused on island life in 'real time' not the outside world.

I'm not a big fan of the hatch and prefer Lost when the losties are exploring the island and finding out more mysteries to do with the island. So will seeing more of the outside world in 'real time' mean more island mysteries and unanswered questions will remain unansweed for longer?

I think that some questions to do with the island need answering first before we delve into whats going on with Penny and her mission to find Desmond.

How do you think this will affect the quality and mystery of the show?

[Hordriss]

Originally Posted by StoneRose,November 09, 2006 12:17 pm

I'm not a big fan of the hatch and prefer Lost when the losties are exploring the island and finding out more mysteries to do with the island. So will seeing more of the outside world in 'real time' mean more island mysteries and unanswered questions will remain unansweed for longer?

I think that some questions to do with the island need answering first before we delve into whats going on with Penny and her mission to find Desmond.

How do you think this will affect the quality and mystery of the show?

If we assume that Penny Widmore has some inside information on the Island (which seems altogether likely) then we might actually be in for some major revelations.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by StoneRose,November 09, 2006 01:17 pm

Hi, sorry if this has been discussed I've been away for a while and havent had a chance to read all the posts.

After seeing the way season 2 ended with Penny & the guys in what i'm assuming is the arctic or somwhere similar, I guess season3 is going to be showing a lot of the outside world in 'real time'. Something which we havent had yet on lost.

We've seen the 'outside world' through flashbacks but havent actually seen what has been happening there while the losties have been on the island as the eppys have focused on island life in 'real time' not the outside world.

I'm not a big fan of the hatch and prefer Lost when the losties are exploring the island and finding out more mysteries to do with the island. So will seeing more of the outside world in 'real time' mean more island mysteries and unanswered questions will remain unansweed for longer?

I think that some questions to do with the island need answering first before we delve into whats going on with Penny and her mission to find Desmond.

How do you think this will affect the quality and mystery of the show?

Each season seems to have a unique 'feel' and focus..and i suppose S3 will bring yet another distinct flavour to the table.

Personally i have every faith that the creators will be able to keep up the quality and mystery of the show..although im a bit dubious about the whole 'outside world' thing. Im not sure how they will be able to pull this off effectively in 'real time'. Continuity will be a severe issue if they show more real-time real world scenes than necessary. Though in saying that im really intriuged to see the real-world 'face' of Dharma, Hanso, Widmore and all of their affiliates etc. Assuming that they delve into this area that is.

Personally i would like to see about 10% real-world and 90% island (not counting flashbacks) because there's something liberating about being in a bubble with these guys..thats the thing, were stranded with them and i dont want too much real-world stuff. But then, it all depends on how it plays out. I wouldnt read too much into that last scene of S2 (in terms of gauging how much real-world stuff they might or might not show) as by the looks of it those guys were heading to the island..or at least Penny will send them there and so i presume we'll be seeing them sooner of later (not a spoiler, just hopeful)

[StoneRose]

Originally Posted by KoRevo,November 09, 2006 03:44 pm

Personally i would like to see about 10% real-world and 90% island (not counting flashbacks) because there's something liberating about being in a bubble with these guys..thats the thing, were stranded with them and i dont want too much real-world stuff. But then, it all depends on how it plays out. I wouldnt read too much into that last scene of S2 (in terms of gauging how much real-world stuff they might or might not show) as by the looks of it those guys were heading to the island..or at least Penny will send them there and so i presume we'll be seeing them sooner of later (not a spoiler, just hopeful)

Yeah I think thats what I like most about lost, the fact that were stranded with them essentially. And I worry that intriducing more outside world action in 'real time' will cause some of this mystery and the uniqueness to be lost (no pun intended)

It will be interesting to see how the creaters go about showing penny etc, as after the way they ended season2 she has to play some kind of part in season3. I suppose also it will be interesting to find out more about widmore labs/dharma etc, I just hope its not at the expense of finding out more about the island itself.

[hundredand8]

"Being in a bubble." Nice way to put it, Rocco.

Personally I don't think we will be seeing the outside world that often, only when the island chooses to reveal itself (one way of putting it, don't read too much into it). Because I think thats what happened when the white light and the noises occured - the island was visible for a very short time. And now its hidden again.

My guess is Penny and co will suddenly show up, and then they are stuck on the island too with our heroes. And then their journey will be revealed in flashback, not in real time.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by StoneRose,November 09, 2006 05:02 pm

Yeah I think thats what I like most about lost, the fact that were stranded with them essentially. And I worry that intriducing more outside world action in 'real time' will cause some of this mystery and the uniqueness to be lost (no pun intended)

It will be interesting to see how the creaters go about showing penny etc, as after the way they ended season2 she has to play some kind of part in season3. I suppose also it will be interesting to find out more about widmore labs/dharma etc, I just hope its not at the expense of finding out more about the island itself.

Yeah I agree. It has to be managed carefully and not at the expence of island plot/deveopment..because essentially it already ties in real world aspects very well with flashbacks and so we dont need any over-indulging in a '24'-style real time envornment.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by hundredand8

"Being in a bubble." Nice way to put it, Rocco.

Cheers

Personally I don't think we will be seeing the outside world that often, only when the island chooses to reveal itself (one way of putting it, don't read too much into it).

Also a nice way of putting it

Because I think thats what happened when the white light and the noises occured - the island was visible for a very short time. And now its hidden again.

Yeah, quite possibly..which means that those guy's only had a limited time to track and trace the islands unique properties revealing themselves.. i guess, by the looks of that expensive machinery, they only needed a few seconds anyway. They seem to have the co-ordinates and know where to go now..question remains..how are they going to get there, who's coming with them (Penny? Back-up? Charles? Scientists? etc) and can you find something that you cant see..afterall, even "God cant see this place" ..apparently..

My guess is Penny and co will suddenly show up, and then they are stuck on the island too with our heroes. And then their journey will be revealed in flashback, not in real time.

Yeah, i can see Penny ending up there..and now that ivew warmed to Desmond (he's forged a cracking story all in one episode) i would quite like to see the whole love thing with him and Pen play out..because it's different from most of the other island love stories (eg jate and Kawyer)..it's got a depth and realness to it which i quite like..

[lost-lover]

I'm not sure if Penny will show up on the island or try to get Desmond off of it from far away, but it'll be better if she shows up, hopefully revealing a few secrets in the process.

[Kiowa Warrior]

Now that we have had a glimpse of the outside world, I do think that it will be mentioned again and that we might even see some more 'real time' action, such as with Penny again. But saying that, I still think that the majority of the show will focus on island events, and now that the hatch seems to have been blown to pieces, I'm guessing that S3 will centre around the Others, and that the losties actions from now on will be heavily influenced by them.

Like 108 said I also think that the island was made visible to the outside world for a brief time, and so the survivors' eventual rescue could have been put into motion...asuming of course that they are rescued, and not just destined for a lifetime of island living!

[StoneRose]

I've staretd to think that even if a boat/plane finds them or comes to rescue them, that the losties wont leave anyway, they'll choose to stay on the island.

Just judging from a few of their reactions throughout the series, you've got Rose who doesnt want to leave due to her illness, therefore Bernard willl want to stay. Eko seemed to imply a similar thing to Bernard whrn he wanted to make that SOS sign and Eko said 'Pepole are saved in different ways'. I'm sure Kate would probably rather stay there than risking going back to jail, someone would recognise her as I'm sure if they were rescued it make pretty big headlines. Locke also said that the island has 'found' him and I think he's pretty happy there.

Its just a thought, but a few of the characters seem to quite like being on the island, whether they've just got used to it though could be the reason for that I suppose.

I was watching Saw which made me think that thats why those certain people have been 'taken' to the island. Not really purgatory but because they werent living life to their full potential maybe? Kind of what Jigsaw thought about his victims in Saw.

[Kiowa Warrior]

I also really thought that Locke would have to be dragged kicking and screaming onto a rescue boat, but now that he's seemingly had a large part of his faith crushed by discovering that the button was just an experiment, would he still want to stay on the island if he had the chance of rescue?

He was prepared to accept that Bone was a huge sacrifice the island demanded, and that the island had showed its approval of him by lighting up the hatch, but a chat with Desmond put an end to those beliefs.

I suppose that Locke still has his miraculously healed legs to be thankful for, but now that the hatch seems to have been destroyed, what really does Locke have to stay around for? It's not as if the poor man has any close friends there. I guess he could channel his energy into tracking down the Others to find out if Henry was really lying to him or not, so perhaps he'll like what he finds and decide to stay on the island for good with the Others.

[StoneRose]

Yeah its a good point KI, but what reason has he got to go back to the 'real world'. He always wanted to explore and hunt, and he's living in the perfect place for it now. Whats waiting for him in the real world to make him want to go back?

[Kiowa Warrior]

No, he doesn't seem to have much to go back to in the real world either does he? His Dad ran off after stealing his kidney and then using him to get his stolen money, his Mum briefly popped up in order to help Anthony con him, Real Helen tunred down his proposal, Phone Line Helen got freaked out and dumped him, he doesn't seem to have any close friends and is working in a boring office job with an awful boss after experiencing something that put him in a wheelchair for four years. I don't think I'd want to go back to that life either!

I think that Locke will still cling to his belief that he has a purpose - a destiny - on the island, but will see it as something more than pushing a button. Hopefully his time being down the hatch will have taught him to widen his perspective of things, and not cling onto the first thing that does, or appears to do, something positive for him. I'm guessing that Locke will head off in search of the Others, since there's not really anything for him in the losties camp, and he's not a day to day leader like Jack so he won't want that position, and chances are no-one else will want him in such a position either.

[hundredand8]

Kinda off topic, but it occured to me that the hatch and the button pushing wasn't so much an experiment, but a beacon. If we assume that the island is naturally invisible, Dharma needed to build a very strong signal thing to broadcast the position of the island. Penny and co knew this, because she found out from her dad.

Why have people in the hatch pushing buttons to prevent the beacon to be lit? Well, I suppose its a beacon meant only to come on in an emergency, and the team having failed their original tasks on the island could be just such an emergency. But they did not want to tell them this, so that it would not happen just because everyone is fed up or something.

Not sure this makes sense, it did to me before I typed it...