Desmond did NOT crash the plane!

[Kielbasa]

There is something not quite right about Desmond's claim that letting the timer run to zero crashed the plane. Before you shoot me down, just hear me out.

Okay, we know that the plane crashed on 22nd September 2004, the same day as Desmond killed Kelvin and didn't get back to the hatch in time. That, I admit, is the biggest piece of evidence and probably means the electromagnetism did cause the crash.

But there are a few anomalies.

1. The crash was preceded by an earthquake on this island. This did NOT happen at the end of season 2 when Desmond turned the override key. On that occasion we heard that weird loud noise.

Turning the key could be the difference between causing the earthquake (and therefore crashing any nearby aircraft) and just emitting a loud noise, but if so....

2. Why did Penelope's helpers pick up both electromagnetic anomalies? They said themselves that they missed the last one, and by that I presume they were talking about 22nd September. If turning the key prevents the electromagnetism blasting planes out of the sky why did the scientists detect it? Did they detect something else? Was it even a different time?


I think I've almost talked myself out of my original argument but you have to admit there are some unanswered questions there.

[The_abbott]

Maybe thecause of the earthquake was because the core underneath the earth is electro magentic and have been effected by whatever Desmond did first before rising up and hitting the plane.

By the way its been 20 years since I did Science so I may be mistaken LOL!

[Murgatroyd]

There wasn't an earthquake exactly, when the counter ran down, but there was a great deal of rattling and juddering within the hatch at least. My only quibble is that this disturbance didn't seem to extend as far as the beach, let alone the pier - the only point at which they realised something was wrong was when the whole white light/ear splitting whine debacle kicked off. But maybe, in spite of the slight continuity issues, we're meant to assume that the tremor felt in Other Villas is the same one Desmond felt in the hatch.

[Wolstie]

I never belived that he crashed the plane

[The_abbott]

I'm fairly certain whilst reading a back issue of Lost magazine (now safe to do so LOL) Damon said that "you will know ehat caused the plane crash by the end of season 2". So my guess is that Desmond did make it crash. If it were Dharma how would they know that just as flight 815 was going over the island Desmond would not punch the numbers in? Its all too much coincidence for me.

[Murgatroyd]

Oh yes, I think I remember that quotation as well. Well recalled. That does make the fact that those particular people were on the 'plane seem remarkably coincidental: I can only assume that whoever brought them all together for whatever reason somehow knew (or engineered it so) that Desmond would fail to press the button at that time, or that as yet unexplained forces acted to bring about the meeting of all those linked people and events. Or it was pure coincidence.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Kielbasa,November 21, 2006 11:28 am

There is something not quite right about Desmond's claim that letting the timer run to zero crashed the plane. Before you shoot me down, just hear me out.

Okay, we know that the plane crashed on 22nd September 2004, the same day as Desmond killed Kelvin and didn't get back to the hatch in time. That, I admit, is the biggest piece of evidence and probably means the electromagnetism did cause the crash.

But there are a few anomalies.

1. The crash was preceded by an earthquake on this island. This did NOT happen at the end of season 2 when Desmond turned the override key. On that occasion we heard that weird loud noise.

Turning the key could be the difference between causing the earthquake (and therefore crashing any nearby aircraft) and just emitting a loud noise, but if so....

2. Why did Penelope's helpers pick up both electromagnetic anomalies? They said themselves that they missed the last one, and by that I presume they were talking about 22nd September. If turning the key prevents the electromagnetism blasting planes out of the sky why did the scientists detect it? Did they detect something else? Was it even a different time?


I think I've almost talked myself out of my original argument but you have to admit there are some unanswered questions there.

I think that turning the failsafe key basically emitted an even bigger charge (momentarily). Hence Penny's dudes were about to detect the reading.

I remember Kelvin and Desmond making reference to the pressing of the button being like keeping the "dam" in place - thus restricting the electromagnetism charge from leaking..

My view is that by not pressing the button the island and the world wouldve folded in on itself - everything wouldve been drawn to the island (as we saw with the cuttelery, mettalic objects) and eventually everything wouldve been destroyed. However by turning the fey Desmond effectively "made it all go away" - he removed the Dharma-installed harness mechanism of the electromagnetism..so essentiall the islands electromagnetism propeties are no longer harnessed - there will be reprocussions of this still, im sure)..and so this sent out a gigantic reading..which Penny's people picked up.

I think the other e-magnetic reading that they picked up was from the time when Des was late back to the hatch after first jungle outing in 2 years..as a reading can also be picked up when the charge gets too much as well as when it gets disperesed (see above).

I totally agree that Desmond's actions (on the 24/9/04) didnt crash the plane though - I think that the plane was designed to crash on that day anyway..personally i still think that the Black Smoke was programmed to take it down..but thats another story..

Anyhoo, thats my view :P

[Kielbasa]

There's not a lot gets past you KorEvo! I remember Kelvin saying that to Desmond now you mention it. I wonder what he means by "making it all go away though". Maybe you need to have a PhD in Electromagnetism to be able to answer that I mean, I can't see how you could turn something like a magnetic charge into a loud whine and some bright light?

I'm more interested to know why you don't think that caused the crash though! It would be a helluva coincidence to happen the same day as Desmond's little altercation with Kelvin.

AND if you're right, it doesn't look like Ben's community knew it was going to happen, so it would have to have been staged by another party....

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Kielbasa,November 21, 2006 03:09 pm

Originally Posted by Kielbasa

There's not a lot gets past you KorEvo!

hehe, "it's all about the details" (love that quote :P )

I remember Kelvin saying that to Desmond now you mention it.* I wonder what he means by "making it all go away though".* Maybe you need to have a PhD in Electromagnetism to be able to answer that * I mean, I can't see how you could turn something like a magnetic charge into a loud whine and some bright light?*

I think that he meant it would 'go away' in that the harnessed electromagnetism charge would be dispersed/released - hence the bright light and searing sound that was seen/heard. In my view that was the result of the charge 'going away'...as it's no longer being stabilized by the Swan hatch mechanism.

*This may technically be incorrect but just to illustrate what i mean, i see the turning of the failsafe key a bit like a lightening bolt - in that that is release of electricity accompanied by a bright light and an immense sound..(bit like what happened in 2x24)*

Thismay have consequences as some (myself included ) believe that this energy was what healed Rose and Locke and also powers the Black Smoke..

I'm more interested to know why you don't think that caused the crash though!* It would be a helluva coincidence to happen the same day as Desmond's little altercation with Kelvin.

I dont think Des brought down the plane because i see that as being too much of a coincience for all of those people whose stories and lives are so well linked to just happen to crash on that island by chance..

Im not convinced that the hatch timer WAS at Zero - i reckon that the countdown timer was remotly controlled or reconfigured (like Des/Raddy did with the blast door) so that it was wound down to zero..so maybe Desmond wasnt actually gone for 108 minutes..maybe he was only gone for 90 (or something) but someone wanted him to think that he crashed the plane due to his lateness in pushing the button? My other theory is that Kelvin was in on it and lured him out there knowing full well that he'd see the tear in his suit etc. So basically the overidding idea is that the plane was scheduled to crash on that date..maybe they just wanted to tie Desmond into the whole thing by making him believe that he was responsible? We know they like testing people (not the Others btw..but the people who sent the losties to the island..whoever they are )

AND if you're right, it doesn't look like Ben's community knew it was going to happen, so it would have to have been staged by another party....

Yeah, im with ya there - Ben's community perhaps expected this would happen one day and/or had experience something similar in the past (Rousseau?) but i dont think they knew a plane would crash at that time.

[IM-LOST-WITH-LOST]

I dont really like the idea of him crashing the plane because to me, it takes away some of the mystery?? i no it sounds wierd but its true lol

[-x-madegurl-x-]

i found it a bit strange how there was a loud noise and THEN the plane crashed.
But an earthquake still sounds like a good solution. The others looked as though they didn't know the plane was going to crash so it's still a wonder as to how 71 people survived. (48 - front, 23 - back)

[Lauren [is Lost]]

Originally Posted by Kielbasa,November 21, 2006 10:28 am

Why did Penelope's helpers pick up both electromagnetic anomalies? They said themselves that they missed the last one, and by that I presume they were talking about 22nd September. If turning the key prevents the electromagnetism blasting planes out of the sky why did the scientists detect it? Did they detect something else? Was it even a different time?

I think that when the 2 guys said "Did we miss it again?" they were referring to the 22nd when the plane crashed....Desmond didnt enter the numbers which cause the electromagnetism to clear and whatever the guys were looking for was able to be seen...does that make sense? But they missed it last time. I think they said it was a 'false alarm'. But when locke didnt enter the numbers the connection got through and they found whatever it was.

I'm sorry if that made no sense whatsoever!

[Verix]

I think that Des did 'cause the crash. Why give us the answr only to take it away again? Maybe they were planted on the plane for a different purpose but not for the islands sake. I certainly don't think that the others were in on it though, Ben looked much too suprised to expect the plane then.

It's all so complex it's hard to decide exactly what to believe lol.