It's quite ironic really..

[D-Roc]

So Sayid was really going to shoot 'Henry'..and if it wasnt for Ana, he would have had another soul on his conscience. Didnt he once tell a 'post-Ethan murdering' Charlie that "I still here the voices of the men ive killed" [or words to that effect]? ..and yet he was so willing to add to his resevoir of spilled blood.

But my main point is that i find it quite ironic that in 'The Greater Good' it was Sayid who intervened in Shannon's attempt to kill the outsider [at that time - Locke]..and now..almost 2 months on, it's Shannon's lover, Sayid who is prevented from killing the new outsider ['Henry Gale'], by Ana-Lucia of all people..the person who killed Shannon. Thats all abit confusing really but it really is ironic in my view. I mean, if it continues in this vein then we should really expect to see Ana and Sayid get together and become an item..[well it happened that way with Shan and Sayid!]

Also, i was wondering..does the fact that Ana saved Sayid from making ANOTHER mistake gain her some form of redemption in Sayid's eye's? Perhaps not now, but maybe later..will he thank Ana for her intervention..or will he always remember her as the bullet bearer to his beloved Shannon..?

[kirsty290182]

I understand where your coming from, it may seem ironic or hypacritical even, but all those other things that he done were things that were going on around him and thought that he was doing the right thing, and now, it's personal. I mean he loved Shannon and her being killed, fair enough it was Ana-Lucia who pulled the trigger, but only because she thought that Shannon was one of the others, which i think he is begining to come to terms with. Also, the way he has been treating Henry, well, that is him protecting "his" people from danger, it's the only way he knows how and to be honest, i think he has done the right thing, i mean with all the lies he has been telling but i don't think he should kill him, he is the only one with info on the others.

[D-Roc]

I see what you mean and i do sympathise with Sayid to a degree..but i feel that he's beyond the 'protecting my people' stage now..in fact as soon as he got Henry alone in that room and uttered the words "what needs to be done" [when Jack asked him what he was doing with henry] i feel that he was doing it for his own personal grievance and not for the safety of the group.

I know that Henry has told lies and that this has perhaps justifiably brought him some distrust..but to be honest who's to say any of us wouldnt have done the same thing in his position? Afterall Sayid and co werent exactly welcoming.

I just feel that there is 'always' another way, another option, another choice..and Sayid's method of extracting info from Henry has been proven to be ineffective, especially when we see how easy it was for Ana to get the map from him. Goes to show that torturing someone [in my view] isnt the best option..espcially since Henry was no immediate threat to them.

[Kiowa Warrior]

I really would like to sympathise with Sayid and to be supportive of his actions - he deserves it after what he's been through - but I just can't. I know he needs to let his anger and grief out, but there are better ways to do that than execute Henry at point blank range! The poor man was stringed up like a piece of meat and was no threat to anyone, yet Sayid felt it necessary to put a bullet in him because he was found to be lying again.

I think this was the only time I was glad to see AL intervene and take control of things! While Sayid further corrupts himself AL is at least trying to do the 'good' thing whenever possible and to redeem herslef *pats AL on the back* This doesn't mean that I like her though :P

At the moment I don't think Sayid would be having sleepless nights if he had killed Henry, but later on in life I think he would regret it. But by then the damage would have been done. And he may have regretted his actions earlier if it was discovered that Henry could have provided them with information or something.

[kirsty290182]

Originally Posted by KoRevo,Aug 23 2006, 11:42 AM

I know that Henry has told lies and that this has perhaps justifiably brought him some distrust..but to be honest who's to say any of us wouldnt have done the same thing in his position? Afterall Sayid and co werent exactly welcoming.

I think Henry should of told the truth from the start, fair enough Sayid and co may not have been very welcoming, but after what they have been through ie..Walt being taken, Claire being taken and so on, would you really greet him with open arms or would you be wary of him? And after finding out he is a fake, i have to agree with what Sayid has done. Better to be on the safe side than something else happens to them!

[Calvin]

But Henry Gale has the most evil eyes, and smirk I have ever seen. When he pulled that face at Sayid, I personally would have shot many bullets through his smug little face.

The face pulling was an act of defiance, a "I won this round", if you will.

[kirsty290182]

Originally Posted by Calvin,Aug 23 2006, 13:59 PM

But Henry Gale has the most evil eyes, and smirk I have ever seen. When he pulled that face at Sayid, I personally would have shot many bullets through his smug little face.

The face pulling was an act of defiance, a "I won this round", if you will.

I totally agree with you, like i said, he has the face of a man you want to slap....

[Calvin]

Never mind slap, I'd love to ask Sawyer for a gun(he has the guns remember), then go to the hatch, ask Ana Lucia for permission to see him, and then shoot him.

[kirsty290182]

See, Sayid's way's arn't all that bad, good stress relief i think! :P

[D-Roc]

I agree that he looked very evil..but i think we can't judge someone on the basis of their appearance..Just look at Goodwin, who wouldve thought, huh..?

I do think that the look that Henry gave Sayid was indeed laced with intent and menace and was a big 'hint' that he was one of them..however i think that this could as easily have gone the other way and for that look to have represented sheer anger and contempt towards Sayid for the way in which he treated him. It was so well acted that had Henry not turned out to be one of them then i could just as easily interpret that look as him being justifiably angry at Sayid.

I suppose what im trying to put forward is that yes Henry often looks evil..but despite this it's still not proof that he's guilty. We can't crucify a man for giving a dirty look or for not looking saintly..

Also, i think we should bear in mind that part of the reason why Henry looks so evil is because Sayid's fists of fury have tenderised his face into one big bruise...poor fella :P

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by kirsty290182,Aug 23 2006, 13:44 PM

I think Henry should of told the truth from the start, fair enough Sayid and co may not have been very welcoming, but after what they have been through ie..Walt being taken, Claire being taken and so on, would you really greet him with open arms or would you be wary of him? And after finding out he is a fake, i have to agree with what Sayid has done. Better to be on the safe side than something else happens to them!

Thats a good point but that same point about the losties not being welcoming after all they ve been through can also apply to the 'others'..i mean God only knows what theyve been through and so maybe this is why they treat the losties in such a stand-offish manner. Perhaps this is why Henry lied? afterall he and his people might have gone through a hell of a lot and so they too arent going to be that trusting to outsiders..?

Also, we dont really know what the others/Dharma know..they can see the 'bigger picture' and so what looks like hostility or contempt to us might well be them protecting the losties or at the very least them fighting a more important battle, of which they dont want the losties getting involved in.

I suppose from the outside looking in everything seems black or white..where in actual fact there lies a multitude of colours. Maybe the likes of Sayid should try to understand that this island was there before them and alot of things have and still are going on there which they dont know about..?

[kirsty290182]

Yeah, thats a valid point, but also, the only thing they know about the others is bad things happen to the losties and the island is not all that it seems.

[Calvin]

Roco - If that's the case, and they are fighting a bigger battle, then why kill the losties, and why kidnap, and threaten them.

I think we can safely assume there is some form of Scientific experiments going on, on the Island. Thinking about it, maybe Hatch C3(Swan), is there to see how gullible human minds are? I mean, Desmond and Kelvin did it for 3 years (?), and now Locke is doing it. Maybe Fenry was a scientist who was purposely caught in order to monitor them. Remember him constantly asking what is going on?

[hundredand8]

Slightly off-topic, but do you think "Henry" was trying to commit "suicide by Sayid" in that scene? Just so he would not ever have to face "Him"

Telling yet another and in this case completely unnecessary lie, and then refusing to admit it. He could have told the story how they really found Henry Gale, then a little teerjerker about digging his grave with his bare teeth or something. Even if the truth is "I killed him" what are they going to do about that, Sayid and Ana? Who cares, they never met the guy!

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by kirsty290182,Aug 23 2006, 15:32 PM

Yeah, thats a valid point, but also, the only thing they know about the others is bad things happen to the losties and the island is not all that it seems.

Thats true, I suppose their 'seige mentality' is quite understandable. I just think that what is transpiring on the island is a reflection of our society in that people fear what they dont know..or what they dont/cant understand..which again is understandable [to some degree] i suppose?..but from a moralistic standpoint i just wish that the likes of Jack and co would try to understand and not be so judgemental. I mean it's almost as if they are still in denial..so many weird things have happened that surely they must realise that whatever is happening and whatever the 'others' are doing to them, that they too are not exactly living it up. I mean i suppose it is a case of self preservation on both sides but i just wonder whether Jack/Sayid etc have truely stopped to consider the wider implications of what is actually going on? Surely with all the dreams and visions and black smoke sightings, they should consider that these 'others' are in fact not too dissimilar to themselves...as Locke said in "One of them'.."it's all relative".

In saying all of that in totally see where youre coming from and perhaps im forgetting that they are in the wild and that this setting changes things..it changes the way people act and makes them more defensive etc..

It's an interesting aspect of Lost though