Danielle - aka French Chick

[St. Anger]

OK, going back to the S1 finale, I just had a few comments about Danielle and the whole "the Others are coming" thing. This is all a bit jumbled up and I dunno where I'm going all with this, but I just found all this interesting. Plus there aren't too many Danielle threads to my knowledge., so bare with me.

She said herself she only heard whispers and thus never saw the Others in her time on the island, yet they took her baby right after lighting the smoke right? Well didn't this seem a bit odd to the Losties, I mean, how did she know the Others set the black smoke signal, how did she know [with such a strong belief ] they were coming for the Losties. The whole 'you better run, hide or die' thing would imply surely she's seen the Others in her life-time.

Granted Sayid did tell everyone [when they were questioning her in the S1 finale] that they shouldn't be hiding based on Danielle's sketchy information about the Others. But the Losties are awefully gullable imo, and should've doubted her story or at least should've tried to probe her more.

Watching the S1 finale again is definitely not as good because you know the whole smoke and Others storyline is just her "playing" the Losties and it's affect is pretty poor 2nd time round. First time round it was so exciting,..."these Others are coming, what do they look like, what do they want etc etc".

Also when she disappears right after the Black Rock scene and Locke says "it's ok Jack, let her go", that scene to me gives off the impression she could work for Dharma. I'm not sure but it had a weird feel imo, something wasn't quite right.

Fast forwarding to S2, Danielle tried to save Claire from the Others right?, but according to Danielle she's never seen the Others. But surely she must've seen them as they weren't too far away during the scene in which Claire scratched Danni. Does this mean she's a lyer and thus not who she says she is? Possibly. Though I guess it is possible she never saw the Others around the time of the scene, but you would also have thought she'd of approached them and asked for Alex or something and received some answers. Though I guess she was scared of them and thus did not do so.

Personally she deserved a kick int he teeth for scaring the Losties half to death with threats the Others are coming to kill them. And then taking Aaron just to get back her Alex,...she's just as bad as the Others imo. She knows what's it's like to lose a child, yet she was doing the same to Claire. I do love her character though mind.

Another issue. Has she encountered the BS? I think yes because she knew it was a security system for the island and it was protecting something. Protecting what? How does she know this?

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Your thoughts of any on this nonsense? :P KoR I want a 5000 word essay from you on this man! And Beachy, I somehow expect you to turn this into a Sawyer thread...

[Beach Crew]

Originally Posted by St. Anger (o'_'o),January 11, 2007 06:12 pm

And Beachy, I somehow expect you to turn this into a Sawyer thread...

*Giggles* I feel I am being stereotyped. Lol. I don't cahnge all threads around to Sawyer...

I've always wondered who Danielle really is, whether she is telling the truth about her past....tis very interesting. I like your ideas about the BS, tis making me think. And yes, perhaps she has....curiouser and curiouser.

I will reply more when my headache clears.

[St. Anger]

Originally Posted by Beach Crew,January 11, 2007 06:18 pm

*Giggles* I feel I am being stereotyped. Lol. I don't cahnge all threads around to Sawyer...

I've always wondered who Danielle really is, whether she is telling the truth about her past....tis very interesting. I like your ideas about the BS, tis making me think. And yes, perhaps she has....curiouser and curiouser.

I will reply more when my headache clears.

:P You're more than welcome to sneak Sawyer into this thread hun...

I think it's 50-50 tbh as far as is she telling the truth. What's "curiouser" mean? You making up words again?

[E Pluribus Unum]

Originally Posted by St. Anger (o'_'o),January 11, 2007 07:12 pm

She said herself she only heard whispers and thus never saw the Others in her time on the island, yet they took her baby right after lighting the smoke right?  Well didn't this seem a bit odd to the Losties, I mean, how did she know the Others set the black smoke signal, how did she know [with such a strong belief ] they were coming for the Losties.  The whole 'you better run, hide or die' thing would imply surely she's seen the Others in her life-time.

From what I remember (and I've not seen season 1 since the hiatus between s1 and 2) she said she saw smoke, then "they came that night" - night being the important word. I really want to believe that Dani is legit, so I think that they took her child when she was sleeping (I also wonder if this is why she killed her team, perhaps she thought one of them 'did it')

Originally Posted by St. Anger (o'_'o),January 11, 2007 07:12 pm

But the Losties are awefully gullable imo, and should've doubted her story or at least should've tried to probe her more.

Meh, perhaps. But better to be safe than sorry - plus they already knew that they wanted Claire/Aaron. At the time the losties (me included) thought 'the others' were some mad-baby knabbing people (what's changed? :P) , who perhaps outnumberd (probably, out gunned) our losties

Originally Posted by St. Anger (o'_'o),January 11, 2007 07:12 pm

Watching the S1 finale again is definitely not as good because you know the whole smoke and Others storyline is just her "playing" the Losties and it's affect is pretty poor 2nd time round.  First time round it was so exciting,..."these Others are coming, what do they look like, what do they want etc etc".

Ah see, I don't think it's that simple. Dani knew she was being followed by Sayid and Charlie (hence her trap) so why would she run toward the smoke? When Dani knew that the losties knew that's where 'the others' apparently were. If I were Dani, I would have ran the opposite way. In my opinion, Dani heard whispers "Get the boy" and Dani thought if she helped them that they may trade the boy for Alex. Perhaps 'Tom' (then beardo) lit the fire for some other reason...? Like maybe so they knew how to get back to land..

Originally Posted by St. Anger (o'_'o),January 11, 2007 07:12 pm

Also when she disappears right after the Black Rock scene and Locke says "it's ok Jack, let her go", that scene to me gives off the impression she could work for Dharma.  I'm not sure but it had a weird feel imo, something wasn't quite right.

Well she was putting her 'steal Aaron, to trade for Alex' plan into action

Originally Posted by St. Anger (o'_'o),January 11, 2007 07:12 pm

Fast forwarding to S2, Danielle tried to save Claire from the Others right?, but according to Danielle she's never seen the Others.  But surely she must've seen them as they weren't too far away during the scene in which Claire scratched Danni.  Does this mean she's a lyer and thus not who she says she is?  Possibly. Though I guess it is possible she never saw the Others around the time of the scene, but you would also have thought she'd of approached them and asked for Alex or something and received some answers.  Though I guess she was scared of them and thus did not do so.

That's a decent point. But she's a smart gal (though deluded, obviously) she was massively outnumbered, and probably feared for hers and Claires (and the unborn childs) life. I thought, during Materinity Leave she was great - and she really (in my opinion) showed her true emotions...(I hope)

Originally Posted by St. Anger (o'_'o),January 11, 2007 07:12 pm

Personally she deserved a kick int he teeth for scaring the Losties half to death with threats the Others are coming to kill them.  And then taking Aaron just to get back her Alex,...she's just as bad as the Others imo.  She knows what's it's like to lose a child, yet she was doing the same to Claire.  I do love her character though mind.

Yeah I agree, what she did was wrong and terrifying for Claire. And although I understand her actions, I certainly can't see past them and support her morals. Great character though, I do think it would be a shame if it turned out she was 'playing' the Losties. I mean, she's a huge part of the island - if it were all lies I'd feel cheated..

Originally Posted by St. Anger (o'_'o),January 11, 2007 07:12 pm

Another issue.  Has she encountered the BS?  I think yes because she knew it was a security system for the island and it was protecting something.  Protecting what?  How does she know this?

I think she knows it's 'patroling area', and how to stay away from it (as she showed during Exodus). My theory on the black smoke and why she hasn't met an 'other' before is because the black smoke keeps people within there own areas. The others (Ben et al) probably knew an 'in between' aka 'the line' - Dani, if we believe her story, would seem not to.

Originally Posted by St. Anger (o'_'o),January 11, 2007 07:12 pm

Your thoughts of any on this nonsense? :P  KoR I want a 5000 word essay from you on this man!   And Beachy, I somehow expect you to turn this into a Sawyer thread... 

Well I hope I've made sense

[St. Anger]

From what I remember (and I've not seen season 1 since the hiatus between s1 and 2) she said she saw smoke, then "they came that night" - night being the important word. I really want to believe that Dani is legit, so I think that they took her child when she was sleeping (I also wonder if this is why she killed her team, perhaps she thought one of them 'did it')

Good point about it being night. I hope she is legit too tbh.

Meh, perhaps. But better to be safe than sorry - plus they already knew that they wanted Claire/Aaron. At the time the losties (me included) thought 'the others' were some mad-baby knabbing people (what's changed? :P) , who perhaps outnumberd (probably, out gunned) our losties

Yeah, but her information was so ridiculousy sketchy, but I guess better safe as you said.

Ah see, I don't think it's that simple. Dani knew she was being followed by Sayid and Charlie (hence her trap) so why would she run toward the smoke? When Dani knew that the losties knew that's where 'the others' apparently were. If I were Dani, I would have ran the opposite way. In my opinion, Dani heard whispers "Get the boy" and Dani thought if she helped them that they may trade the boy for Alex. Perhaps 'Tom' (then beardo) lit the fire for some other reason...? Like maybe so they knew how to get back to land..

When did she hear whispers? But I thought it was confirmed that she lit the smoke? She didn't deny it anyways... But I guess she lit the smoke and went to it in case the Others happen to be there which was a pretty dumb mind-set really as there was no guarantee the Others would be there. All she did was lose points with the Losties. She was wrong to want to trade Aaron and wrong to get the Losties scared out of their wits.

That's a decent point. But she's a smart gal (though deluded, obviously) she was massively outnumbered, and probably feared for hers and Claires (and the unborn childs) life. I thought, during Materinity Leave she was great - and she really (in my opinion) showed her true emotions...(I hope)

Hmmm again good point, but she could've approached them from a different direction hence allowing Claire more time to run away. She was very convincing inside the Medical Hatch yes and seemed to be genuinly distraught. If she wanted Alex so badly she should've approached the Others even if it meant risking her life. I would've risked my life to get my daughter back on an island where I had absolutely nothing to live for except my kid.

Yeah I agree, what she did was wrong and terrifying for Claire. And although I understand her actions, I certainly can't see past them and support her morals. Great character though, I do think it would be a shame if it turned out she was 'playing' the Losties. I mean, she's a huge part of the island - if it were all lies I'd feel cheated..

I hope there's a revelation she's a part of ex-Dharma and that her boat and crew were actually travelling to the island to work for Dharma. But this wouldn't explain why they set camp, got "sick" and thus she decided to kill them... Maybe the island was so big, they needed to camp out and wait for Dharma to find them...the possibilities are endless. I agree, I hope she is not playing them.

I think she knows it's 'patroling area', and how to stay away from it (as she showed during Exodus). My theory on the black smoke and why she hasn't met an 'other' before is because the black smoke keeps people within there own areas. The others (Ben et al) probably knew an 'in between' aka 'the line' - Dani, if we believe her story, would seem not to.

That must've taken many an encounter to learn it's patrolling area and how to avoid it, and also the BS [as far as I can tell] isn't restricted to one part of the island. I wonder whether Dark Terrortory is it's main home, and thus ripped off Montagne's arm and hurt her crew etc etc. Good theory, it's possible. Why do you say she isn't aware of "the line"...

Yeah you make as much sense as the rest of us lol... Man I should've watched S1 again a long time ago as now I remember much more which is a positive for theorising on here.

[E Pluribus Unum]

Originally Posted by St. Anger (o'_'o),January 14, 2007 02:09 am

When did she hear whispers? But I thought it was confirmed that she lit the smoke? She didn't deny it anyways... But I guess she lit the smoke and went to it in case the Others happen to be there which was a pretty dumb mind-set really as there was no guarantee the Others would be there. All she did was lose points with the Losties. She was wrong to want to trade Aaron and wrong to get the Losties scared out of their wits.

No she totally denied lighting the smoke/fire. Think about the situation, she knew she was being followed, and then when Sayid and Charlie caught her up - she willingly gave Aaron back, because they didn't come to trade with her. And I only said 'the whispers' as it fits in with 'sketchy-ness' - she said "They said they wanted the boy" - not, "They said if I brought them baby Aaron, they would trade Alex for him", in my opinion it sounds like she 'overheard' something; maybe the whispers are echos of communication between the others...

Originally Posted by St. Anger (o'_'o),January 14, 2007 02:09 am

Hmmm again good point, but she could've approached them from a different direction hence allowing Claire more time to run away. She was very convincing inside the Medical Hatch yes and seemed to be genuinly distraught. If she wanted Alex so badly she should've approached the Others even if it meant risking her life. I would've risked my life to get my daughter back on an island where I had absolutely nothing to live for except my kid.

Oh me too, but she has always thought that 'the others' were this agressive/savage group - I don't think she thinks they can be reasoned with and Claire didn't want to run away, in fact Dani had to knock her out () so she had to carry her back to camp (note how 'the others' couldn't track Dani, even though she was carrying a pregnant woman.. More evidence to say that there is another set of 'others' [other others])

Originally Posted by St. Anger (o'_'o),January 14, 2007 02:09 am

That must've taken many an encounter to learn it's patrolling area and how to avoid it, and also the BS [as far as I can tell] isn't restricted to one part of the island. I wonder whether Dark Terrortory is it's main home, and thus ripped off Montagne's arm and hurt her crew etc etc. Good theory, it's possible. Why do you say she isn't aware of "the line"...

Well, yeah - she's been on the island 16(ish) years, I think that's enough time to learn it's route (and I bet Dani hasn't been everywhere on the island). I would say there are places the black smoke doesn't go - the beach for one, the caves - Locke and Boone spend weeks at the hatch and were never challenged

Re: The line. I'm just theorising But the 'others' seem to be educated in the island, so I would presume that 'the line' (which seemed their 'neutral ground') would be safe from the Black Smoke.

Of course, I'm just guessing

[St. Anger]

Originally Posted by E PLURIBUS UNUM,January 14, 2007 10:31 am

No she totally denied lighting the smoke/fire. Think about the situation, she knew she was being followed, and then when Sayid and Charlie caught her up - she willingly gave Aaron back, because they didn't come to trade with her. And I only said 'the whispers' as it fits in with 'sketchy-ness' - she said "They said they wanted the boy" - not, "They said if I brought them baby Aaron, they would trade Alex for him", in my opinion it sounds like she 'overheard' something; maybe the whispers are echos of communication between the others...

Oh me too, but she has always thought that 'the others' were this agressive/savage group - I don't think she thinks they can be reasoned with and Claire didn't want to run away, in fact Dani had to knock her out () so she had to carry her back to camp (note how 'the others' couldn't track Dani, even though she was carrying a pregnant woman.. More evidence to say that there is another set of 'others' [other others])

Well, yeah - she's been on the island 16(ish) years, I think that's enough time to learn it's route (and I bet Dani hasn't been everywhere on the island). I would say there are places the black smoke doesn't go - the beach for one, the caves - Locke and Boone spend weeks at the hatch and were never challenged

Re: The line. I'm just theorising But the 'others' seem to be educated in the island, so I would presume that 'the line' (which seemed their 'neutral ground') would be safe from the Black Smoke.

Of course, I'm just guessing

No she totally denied lighting the smoke/fire. Think about the situation, she knew she was being followed, and then when Sayid and Charlie caught her up - she willingly gave Aaron back, because they didn't come to trade with her. And I only said 'the whispers' as it fits in with 'sketchy-ness' - she said "They said they wanted the boy" - not, "They said if I brought them baby Aaron, they would trade Alex for him", in my opinion it sounds like she 'overheard' something; maybe the whispers are echos of communication between the others...

Oh right, I missed when she said that lol. But even so, it was a pretty dumb thing to do and held no guarantee anyone/thing would turn up at the smoke. Oh you mean she said she was being followed by someone other than Charlie/Sayid? So you reckon she didn't create the smoke signal then? This is getting more interesting now, in that, she was being followed and possibly didn't create the smoke. If she didn't set the signal, it's odd that no one was there to greet her.

Oh me too, but she has always thought that 'the others' were this agressive/savage group - I don't think she thinks they can be reasoned with and Claire didn't want to run away, in fact Dani had to knock her out () so she had to carry her back to camp (note how 'the others' couldn't track Dani, even though she was carrying a pregnant woman.. More evidence to say that there is another set of 'others' [other others])

Hmmm I guess Claire would've followed Danni had she approached the Others. She put Claire's safety ahead of approaching the Others about Alex. It was night-time which is why they couldn't track her. Why would this suggest there is another group?

Well, yeah - she's been on the island 16(ish) years, I think that's enough time to learn it's route (and I bet Dani hasn't been everywhere on the island). I would say there are places the black smoke doesn't go - the beach for one, the caves - Locke and Boone spend weeks at the hatch and were never challenged

Re: The line. I'm just theorising  But the 'others' seem to be educated in the island, so I would presume that 'the line' (which seemed their 'neutral ground') would be safe from the Black Smoke.

Yeah I suppose... It's interesting to think where she has been though, and what she hasn't told the Losties. Maybe the BS didn't like being near the Hatch because the electromagnetism interferred with it.

I always thought The Line was just invented on the spot i.e. Tom was saying don't follow us or come any further than this point, as to prevent the Losties finding Othersville [which granted was miles and miles away from the looks of things]. But it has been said the Others are not BS-friendly and thus know how and where to avoid it.

[St. Anger]

No she totally denied lighting the smoke/fire. Think about the situation, she knew she was being followed, and then when Sayid and Charlie caught her up - she willingly gave Aaron back, because they didn't come to trade with her. And I only said 'the whispers' as it fits in with 'sketchy-ness' - she said "They said they wanted the boy" - not, "They said if I brought them baby Aaron, they would trade Alex for him", in my opinion it sounds like she 'overheard' something; maybe the whispers are echos of communication between the others...

Oh right, I missed when she said that lol. But even so, it was a pretty dumb thing to do and held no guarantee anyone/thing would turn up at the smoke. Oh you mean she said she was being followed by someone other than Charlie/Sayid? So you reckon she didn't create the smoke signal then? This is getting more interesting now, in that, she was being followed and possibly didn't create the smoke. If she didn't set the signal, it's odd that no one was there to greet her.

Oh me too, but she has always thought that 'the others' were this agressive/savage group - I don't think she thinks they can be reasoned with and Claire didn't want to run away, in fact Dani had to knock her out () so she had to carry her back to camp (note how 'the others' couldn't track Dani, even though she was carrying a pregnant woman.. More evidence to say that there is another set of 'others' [other others])

Hmmm I guess Claire would've followed Danni had she approached the Others. She put Claire's safety ahead of approaching the Others about Alex. It was night-time which is why they couldn't track her. Why would this suggest there is another group?

Well, yeah - she's been on the island 16(ish) years, I think that's enough time to learn it's route (and I bet Dani hasn't been everywhere on the island). I would say there are places the black smoke doesn't go - the beach for one, the caves - Locke and Boone spend weeks at the hatch and were never challenged

Re: The line. I'm just theorising  But the 'others' seem to be educated in the island, so I would presume that 'the line' (which seemed their 'neutral ground') would be safe from the Black Smoke.

Yeah I suppose... It's interesting to think where she has been though, and what she hasn't told the Losties. Maybe the BS didn't like being near the Hatch because the electromagnetism interferred with it.

I always thought The Line was just invented on the spot i.e. Tom was saying don't follow us or come any further than this point, as to prevent the Losties finding Othersville [which granted was miles and miles away from the looks of things]. But it has been said the Others are not BS-friendly and thus know how and where to avoid it.

[Kitiara]

When Charlie and Sayid were trailing Danni to get Aaron back Sayid noticed there were no tracks around the fire/black smoke area. Meaning how can you light a fire in the sand and leave no footprints???

Also you need to have had a child to come anywhere close to understanding Danni's motives in taking Aaron. When you are a mother you will do anything to get your child back. It's instinct, you act on instinct without thinking. Only people who have children can understand this.

Danni has been alone for 16 years, if you believe her story and that is going to effect your mind somewhat. But I believe her motives are not hostile.

I just wish someone would find her and tell her about Alex.

[St. Anger]

Originally Posted by Kitiara,January 16, 2007 04:04 pm

When Charlie and Sayid were trailing Danni to get Aaron back Sayid noticed there were no tracks around the fire/black smoke area. Meaning how can you light a fire in the sand and leave no footprints???

Also you need to have had a child to come anywhere close to understanding Danni's motives in taking Aaron. When you are a mother you will do anything to get your child back. It's instinct, you act on instinct without thinking. Only people who have children can understand this.

Danni has been alone for 16 years, if you believe her story and that is going to effect your mind somewhat. But I believe her motives are not hostile.

I just wish someone would find her and tell her about Alex.

Maybe whoever lit the fire eliminated the tracks with a stick as they walked away from the fire into the jungle...?

I see where you're coming from but she was taking another mother's child in the process,...and surely she must've seen some wrong in this? She was forcing what's she's suffered upon another mother.

Her motives were not hostile, she didn't wish to hurt Aaron but if I were Claire I'd wanna kick the ever-loving hell out of Danni for taking my baby and planning to give him away to some crazy island people.

Do any of the Losties know about Alex? I can't really remember but I'm not sure that any of them know that the Alex [with the Others] is Danni's Alex. What difference would it make anyways, as Danni knows Alex is with the Others so it wouldn't be anything new to her.