Isn't It Ironic?

[StoneRose]

Originally Posted by lost-lover,September 25, 2006 06:32 pm

Yeah, he had SO many more options! And lets not forget he's planning on trapping 4 of his friends (yes im calling Sawyr his friend!) into some unknown doom at the hands of a group of evil natives in the hope they won't double cross him and will hand over his son, who actually said to him "Don't trust them they're only pretending" imagine how it would have been if he'd just stopped and hought about things

Where children are involved though, people dont think straight. After all look at what Anna did ti Jason over her unborn child.......

[daviePOSEIDON]

Oh I completely understand that a parent would do anything in that situation. But, what we are saying is that Michael had options. Everyone would have understood what he was going through. He should have told Ana and they could have worked something out. Had an excuse, what's different there. They lie about the smallest things where it is unnesacary (sp?) to lie. Surely they could have worked something out and lied about this.

[StoneRose]

Originally Posted by daviePOSEIDON,September 25, 2006 06:40 pm

Oh I completely understand that a parent would do anything in that situation. But, what we are saying is that Michael had options. Everyone would have understood what he was going through. He should have told Ana and they could have worked something out. Had an excuse, what's different there. They lie about the smallest things where it is unnesacary (sp?) to lie. Surely they could have worked something out and lied about this.

I agree he should have told the losties, I wonder if he thought the others might find out thats why he didnt. I suppose he didnt as he didnt want anything jeopardising the safety of his child and in his position I suppose thats why he didnt tell anyone. Killing Anna and Libby was the wrong thing to do though.

If someone other than Anna had been sat with him, would he have killed them. Actually probably not as I doubt anyone else would have given him the gun to kill Henry. If he did have a gun though would he have shot Jack for eg......

[lost-lover]

Originally Posted by StoneRose,September 25, 2006 06:35 pm

Where children are involved though, people dont think straight. After all look at what Anna did ti Jason over her unborn child.......

Yeah I guess so, they both went sort of psychotic (sp), but Mike had a chance to rethink after killing Ana and Libby, he didn't have to admit killing them, but he could tell Jack and the rest involved what happened with the Others, say he let Henry go but he stole the gun and killed them maybe? Then he wouldn't need to betray them.

[Orson]

I'll tell you what I think's ironic- that after all their struggles there are only two tailees left- Eko and Bernard. The others have all either being killed or taken. That's ironic. It's like rain on your wedding day, or a free ride when you've already paid. Sorry, the title reminded me of the song...

[Mantis Zero]

Originally Posted by KoRevo,September 25, 2006 06:14 pm

lol, well im not suggesting people are calling him a saint - though i fear Mantis is boardering on that ..but it's like people "have forgetten"..forgotten who is lying 6 feet deep right now and who infact pulled the trigger when he didnt have to It particularly narks when i recall people having a go at Ana for merely waving a gun at Mike in Collision Afterall she IS [was ] a cop and had every right to calm down that situation how she thought best at the time. Whats Mike's excuse?

Yeah whatever, just out of curiosity do you actually read my posts Roco or just glace and slander them? Ana had already taken a shot at Michael before she started waving it again, and it was to all intensive purposes a hostage situation which you seem to claim was for the benefit of the group.

I have NEVER claimed Mike was right to do it and I've never tried to portay him as an angel, in fact you're the one who seems to think Ana is the most innocent person on the whole island (going as far to call her the moral measuring stick) so I'm just going to take your posts on this subject with a pinch of salt.

[daviePOSEIDON]

Originally Posted by Orson,September 25, 2006 06:48 pm

I'll tell you what I think's ironic- that after all their struggles there are only two tailees left- Eko and Bernard. The others have all either being killed or taken. That's ironic. It's like rain on your wedding day, or a free ride when you've already paid. Sorry, the title reminded me of the song...

Hmmm I wouldn't say that's ironic. Just bad luck!

[Orson]

Originally Posted by daviePOSEIDON,September 25, 2006 07:56 pm

Hmmm I wouldn't say that's ironic. Just bad luck!

You're right... I just wanted to post some of the song lyrics from 'Ironic' here... any excuse is a good excuse...

[daviePOSEIDON]

Yeah. I find it ironic how the song isn't ironic. Good tune though. I remember looking at it in English, my teacher didn't like it as it wasn't ironic and we had to work out a way to make all the situations ironic. lol

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Mantis Zero,September 25, 2006 07:54 pm

Yeah whatever, just out of curiosity do you actually read my posts Roco or just glace and slander them? Ana had already taken a shot at Michael before she started waving it again, and it was to all intensive purposes a hostage situation which you seem to claim was for the benefit of the group.

I have NEVER claimed Mike was right to do it and I've never tried to portay him as an angel, in fact you're the one who seems to think Ana is the most innocent person on the whole island (going as far to call her the moral measuring stick) so I'm just going to take your posts on this subject with a pinch of salt.

I always read your posts Mantis [aswell as everyone elses].

At the end of the day our interpretations are different and theres nothing wrong with that..i guess we'll just have to learn to accept that we are at the opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to things like this!

Personally i didnt see Ana's 'hostage situation' quite like you do. i fee that by firing a warning shot past Mike she was doing what she had been trained to do as a cop in order to calm dangerous situations down. She didnt kill the man and she didnt even main him. She was reacting..thats the thing.. Mike wasnt reacting to an on the spot dangeorus situation..he was..well, i dont know what the heck he was doing or thinking..but he killed Ana-lu. Theres no getting away from that really. To compare firing a warning shot with actually killing one of your own when there were other options is perhaps not the best thing to do to support an argument.

And im not saying that you have literally said that Mike is a 'saint'..im merely saying that it Mike as been made to look cleaner than he perhaps should do after this recent episode. Especially when you consider that Ana has taken more stick for merely giving a man a gun than Mike has taken for putting 3 cold and hard bullets into his friends..

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one, Mantis. You rightly have your views and i rightly have mine..theres nothing wrong in that..i just wanted to discover the motivation and reasoning etc behind your point of view because i feel thats important when debating with people..it helps us to understand where were coming from.
Alas, i still cannot fathom your viewpoint on this particular issue but i nonetheless still respect your views.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by StoneRose,September 25, 2006 07:35 pm

Where children are involved though, people dont think straight. After all look at what Anna did ti Jason over her unborn child.......

And yet Ana has been absolutely slaughtered for what she did..yet Mike has hardly been critised in comparison..instead excuses have been made in his defence.. Thats the thing..

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by StoneRose,September 25, 2006 07:25 pm

What does it say about her when she's been murdered yet people arent really that bothered?

No no no..but isnt this a reflection on us..as in the people who dont care?

[Murgatroyd]

Originally Posted by KoRevo,September 25, 2006 07:08 pm

And yet Ana has been absolutely slaughtered for what she did..yet Mike has hardly been critised in comparison..instead excuses have been made in his defence.. Thats the thing..

Rocco, I think you're going to have to put this down to legitimate partiality that applies to fictional characters in a way it doesn't in real life. To many people, pre-murder Mike was a much pleasanter character than Ana Lucia ever was, and while I doubt anyone believes that this makes Mike's crime more excusable or less significant than Ana Lucia's crimes, it does perhaps make the character less likely to be raked over than his much less beloved counterpart.

Take comfort in the thought that, were we debating real life cases, Michael would probably collect a shade more life sentences than Ana Lucia would. Just a shade.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Murgatroyd,September 25, 2006 08:13 pm

Rocco, I think you're going to have to put this down to legitimate partiality that applies to fictional characters in a way it doesn't in real life. To many people, pre-murder Mike was a much pleasanter character than Ana Lucia ever was, and while I doubt anyone believes that this makes Mike's crime more excusable or less significant than Ana Lucia's crimes, it does perhaps make the character less likely to be raked over than his much less beloved counterpart.

Take comfort in the thought that, were we debating real life cases, Michael would probably collect a shade more life sentences than Ana Lucia would. Just a shade.

Just a shade you say!? Thats not enough dammit! Nah joking ..yeah i understand that we are not dealing in the real world here..however didnt you once say that real world values and belief systems should carry over into island-world?