Have You Missed Ana?

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Kiowa Warrior

Sorry!

T'is ok, I know you didn't mean those things:P

Originally Posted by KoR-evo

Shannon was a mistake though
Hm, I feel sorry for her, because she's taken so much slack just from that one scene

But if she hasn't repented that surely means that none of them have, since she is the only one to actually say "sorry" and show real emotion behind it.

Didn't you admire anything about her? Who do you prefer, Ki - Ana or Kate?

Oh no I don't blame her for killing Shannon because that was just a terrible accident and I don't hold that against her...it's her generally violent and vindictive nature that grates against me, because she often thought that she was the judge jury and executioner all in one, such as when she killed Jason. Yes she had suffered greatly at his hands and I can understand why she wanted him to suffer, but what I don't agree with is her decision to disregard a legal punishment for him in favour of a back alley execution. Yes he took away her baby's life, but she could very easily have proven herself the better person by refusing to take his.

True, it was a brutal execution and it was wrong..but i cannot imagine what it must be like to not oly have a child taken away from you, but to have it die in the womb..my heart just went out to her. And it was that event that changed her - she wasn't a horrible person imo, it was just that this horrific event changed her and she lost her way, like most people would in such circumstances. I feel that she did enough on island to prove that she was worth saving (and Goodwin also thought so). I think that what she did to Jason was something she souldn't have done, but I think that her heart and soul had enough goodness inside of it. She wasn't a bad person by choice or because she enjoyed it - she really tried to change, she really wanted to and to her credit, i think she actually did manage it. She may not have changed completely, but then change takes time..it can be difficult to undo the damage that fate or evil human acts deliver, but she did show positive signs and on-island i felt that her heart was always in the right place. Bless her, she did everything that she coulf for her people and she got killed for it. Our sacrifical lamb

I just don't think she ever truly repented her thirst for violent revenge though, because although yes she didn't kill Henry when she could have, her desire to see such a murder take place didn't go away because she gave her gun to Michael. Saying that she 'couldn't do this any more' just means she didn't have the stomach or inclanation to pull the trigger herself, but she still had a desire to help commit a murder...she still wanted a murder to take place, and that's the important thing imo; it's not the physical act of doing something that's the key, it's the mentality behind it, and imo Ana didn't repent her killings because she was still prepared to become involved in yet another one.

But surely the fact that hse didnt kill Henry counts for something? I mean, we asked for signs of change and to be fair, she gave it to us. Sure, she has commited a terrible crime in the past, but it was only this one event - she was wrong for it, but it's not like she kept making the same mistakes over and over (hence he not wanting to judge Henry until she gave him a chance), like Sawyer.

Yes, intent should be considered - but then surely we have to give her some slack because she changed her mind about killing Henry in 2x21. Her intent to kill washed away and she came to her senses. It wasn't her fault that Mike had his own motives for killing Henry..

Roco that's a horrible question! :P Ergh, I don't know...if I had to admire something about Ana than I guess I'd say that she was very calm, organised and resourceful in a time of great terror and need and those are always positive and essential qualities to have, but her general personality just overwhelms me for the worse I'm afraid! Kate...I guess Kate...well...err...she wasn't afraid to volunteer for dangerous missions in order to help the group in S1 I guess. Before she then spent all of her time bouncing between Sawyer and Jack that is! I don't like Ana's personality at all but at least she had a personality unlike Kate, so for entertainment (as in a 'love to hate') value, I'll go with Ana

Hehe, i knew id get something positive out of you! These first stpes are often the hardest Ki, but we'll get there together! But yes, i agree, she was extremely calm, organised and resourceful under pressure - 3 admirable traits, especially on the island. Ergh, the mere mention of Kate is too much for me these days. She's been a waste of space for the past 15 or so episodes

Soon you'll be saying that you hate to love Ana, but that you do (love her). :P

[Murgatroyd]

You know, Rocco, aside from the usual bit about Michael, that was the most measured assessment of Ana Lucia I've ever seen from you.

[Kiowa Warrior]

Originally Posted by KoR-evo

T'is ok, I know you didn't mean those things:P

Sometimes they just slip out :P

Originally Posted by KoR-evo

True, it was a brutal execution and it was wrong..but i cannot imagine what it must be like to not oly have a child taken away from you, but to have it die in the womb..my heart just went out to her. And it was that event that changed her - she wasn't a horrible person imo, it was just that this horrific event changed her and she lost her way, like most people would in such circumstances. I feel that she did enough on island to prove that she was worth saving (and Goodwin also thought so). I think that what she did to Jason was something she souldn't have done, but I think that her heart and soul had enough goodness inside of it. She wasn't a bad person by choice or because she enjoyed it - she really tried to change, she really wanted to and to her credit, i think she actually did manage it. She may not have changed completely, but then change takes time..it can be difficult to undo the damage that fate or evil human acts deliver, but she did show positive signs and on-island i felt that her heart was always in the right place. Bless her, she did everything that she coulf for her people and she got killed for it. Our sacrifical lamb

No I can't imagine what it would be like to lose a child like that either and while I agree that going through such a tradgedy will no doubt change the person affected by it, I don't think every single person who expereinces such a terrible thing changes for the worse, in that they don't seek out to plan the cold blooded murder of the person that has hurt them. I agree that she wasn't a completely terrible person simply out of choice or because she enjoyed it (even though she seemed quite happy to repeatedly punch and injure Sawyer ), but I don't think that she really did manage to change because once again when someone - Henry - tried to badly hurt her, she devised a plan to kill him, which included manipulating Sawyer. Yes change takes a long time, especially after all that she's been through, but when faced with the choice to do what's 'right' and what she thinks is right, then she always followed her own law of morality and justice. Perhaps she would have continued to change for the better, but I somehow doubt it I'm afraid.

Originally Posted by KoR-evo

But surely the fact that hse didnt kill Henry counts for something? I mean, we asked for signs of change and to be fair, she gave it to us. Sure, she has commited a terrible crime in the past, but it was only this one event - she was wrong for it, but it's not like she kept making the same mistakes over and over (hence he not wanting to judge Henry until she gave him a chance), like Sawyer.

Yes, intent should be considered - but then surely we have to give her some slack because she changed her mind about killing Henry in 2x21. Her intent to kill washed away and she came to her senses. It wasn't her fault that Mike had his own motives for killing Henry..

Yes it counted when she didn't execute him at point blank range when she could have, but that event doesn't excuse her for providing Michael with all the tools neccessary to do the same thing a short while later. If she had really changed her ways - had changed from having a desire to kill someone who has wronged her to one that at least doesn't involve killing - then why didn't she just refuse to give Michael the gun? She gave it (along with the armoury's combination) to him because she wanted Henry to be killed, and because that mentality hadn't altered then she never really changed for the better at all imo. It's not as if Michael forced the gun from her or threatened her if she didn't hand it over...she gave it to him knowing full well what he intended to do with it. It doesn't matter in the slightest if Michael wanted to kill Henry for any number of reasons...the bottom line is is that she was willing to be an accessory to murder in the hope that such a murder would be committed. She was willing to indirectly pull the trigger on Henry, and that's just as bad really. If her 'intent to kill had washed away and she came to her senses,' then why on earth did she give Mike the gun and the combination to unlock the armoury after he'd just passionatley told her that he wanted to kill the man inside of it? How hard would it have been for her to stand up and walk away with her gun instead?

Originally Posted by KoR-evo

Hehe, i knew id get something positive out of you! These first stpes are often the hardest Ki, but we'll get there together! But yes, i agree, she was extremely calm, organised and resourceful under pressure - 3 admirable traits, especially on the island. Ergh, the mere mention of Kate is too much for me these days. She's been a waste of space for the past 15 or so episodes

Soon you'll be saying that you hate to love Ana, but that you do (love her). :P

Kate's been a waste of space for a lot longer than 15 episodes I think! lol But yeah, I can admit that Ana had some good traits to her because no-one is simply completely bad or useless, and after all the Tailies had been through they needed someone strong to lead them. Unfortuately Ana interpreted 'strong' as meaning 'violently agressive' :P

I'm sure I'll be saying that on the day I say 'I love you Jack Shepard, please forgive all the awful things I've ever said about you.'

[haelle03]

Ki, you're so mean

[Miss Austen]

I voted: A lot

I'm an Ana Lucia fan. I wish she'd been in the series longer. She reminds me of a female verson of Sawyer.

Sawyer wasn't a popular character on the island at all in the earlier episodes but look at him now! He was protecting Claire, jumping off the helicopter so that others could get back home and he still thought about his daughter and gave Kate a message to give to her.

Sawyer is practically unrecognisable as the same character we first saw. I think Ana Lucia could have gone the same way; but I suppose having two characters going from bad to good might have been a bit repetitive.

Cheers, Miss Austen

[monster-eats-pilot]

I thought I'd jump on this bandwagon

Not at all. Sorry people who liked her but I'd forgotten she was in the show
She was good for the storyline and fitted in well but I didnt see any need of her being alive after that. There's other dead characters I wish were alive because they had so much more to give (like Mr Eko for instance).

[Kiowa Warrior]

Ana who?

Oh, you mean her... *shudders at the thought of Ana*

Why did I have to be reminded of her?

[Beach Crew]

Ki, be nice

I'm acutally surprised at how much I miss Ana. But i think on some level I've created a seperate AL. One that isn't quite like the Real Ana, and more like the Fandom Ana, lol.

I do miss her, and I miss Sana, but I think Juliet has replaced her now, lol.

[Kiowa Warrior]

But Beachy that is me being nice!

And I think you've successfully corrupted Canon-Ana into BeachyFandom-Ana, lol.

[Beach Crew]

Originally Posted by Kiowa Warrior

But Beachy that is me being nice!

And I think you've successfully corrupted Canon-Ana into BeachyFandom-Ana, lol.

Oh, yes. Of course it was

Lol, that's exactly it. To me, Ana is a misguided young woman, who although sometimes violent, is actually sweet and kind when you get to know her. And she has a thing for Sawyer.

It's kinda Ana, but sort of...an extreme version of her

[Miss Austen]

I liked the banter between Sawyer and Ana. I liked when Sawyer asked the rather bossy and domineering Ana if she was married and she replied: "No". Sawyer replied: "That's a shame because you seem suited for marriage!

There was a bit more banter between them that I liked. I think she asked Sawyer if he was gay at one point and he gave a good come back. Very amusing!