Ana may have been pregnant

[D-Roc]

[Assuming she's dead]..just think Ana could've been pregant after her little shin-dig with Sawyer in the jungle.

What a story that wouldve been! After losing a baby at the hands of Jason and then becoming pregnant at the *'ahem'* of Sawyer, who himself was deprivced of his own mother early on in life.

I wonder what effect such an occurance wouldve had on both of them. Perhaps it wouldve helped Sawyer in many ways..might have made him less selfish and stuff?

Also, it's strange how both Ana and Shannon had just 'got busy' with their respective men and then a few hours later they are both shot in the stomach/chest region.

[Mantis Zero]

[Original]

Yes, but Ana shot shannon, the island or the others had nothing to do with that death.

Although shannon did hear whispers (walt) leading her towards ana didnt she.

Notice everyone who has got shot, has been shot in the stomach, chest area.
They will never show an actual head shot, way to gory
Although they will show someone getting blown up.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Original,September 08, 2006 04:18 pm

Yes, but Ana shot shannon, the island or the others had nothing to do with that death.

Although shannon did hear whispers (walt) leading her towards ana didnt she.

Notice everyone who has got shot, has been shot in the stomach, chest area.
They will never show an actual head shot, way to gory
Although they will show someone getting blown up.

But Shannon's death was surely manipulated by the others or Hanso F... Someone or something had to produce those whispers? It wasnt Ana's fault. Mike is more of a murderer than Ana will ever be imo.

They did show a head shot when Shannon tried to kill Locke..though it was only a graze

[Hooting Heck]

Originally Posted by KoRevo,September 08, 2006 03:20 pm

They did show a head shot when Shannon tried to kill Locke..though it was only a graze

Unfortunately!

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Originally Posted by Hooting Heck,September 08, 2006 04:23 pm

Unfortunately!

What have you got against poor Locke, lol

[Original]

Yes at first I thought Shannon actually shot a bullet right through Locke's head.
I was like :supr: then I realised it was a graze.

I suppose what your saying with the whispers is true, I reckon it must be speakers in the trees, to create them or something.

Like a tannoy system,

[Mantis Zero]

How do we know it was manipulated by the others? There were whispers but I dont think they were saying "Hey Ana Lucia when you see this blonde girl running through here shoot her in the chest please". We dont even know if the whispers are anything to do with the others or just a side effect of the cerberus system which may or may not be running on its own initiative so to speak.

Ana is a killer through choice (Jason, Other, Goodwin) and theres a good chance Michael is a killer through instruction. I dont see how Ana can be repreieved more than Mike can.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Original,September 08, 2006 04:25 pm

Yes at first I thought Shannon actually shot a bullet right through Locke's head.
I was like :supr: then I realised it was a graze.

I suppose what your saying with the whispers is true, I reckon it must be speakers in the trees, to create them or something.

Like a tannoy system,

Yeah, for a moment i thought Locke was dead - I wouldve hated Shannon forever if that had been the case!

Yeah, i did think the whispers were the result of concealed speakers or something..but now ive got a different angle on it

[Original]

I'm sorry but we can't even class the 'Others' as a point in the arguement. Ethan left charlie to die, and killed steve (scott? I get confused). Goodwin snapped a guy's neck. Henry tried to kill Ana, oh they killed the real henry gale. They blew up the raft and left them to die, oh they kidnap children in the night.

How can we even class the 'others' as people? Actually it really cheesed me off when Henry was saying to Ana 'your the killer', so is Goodwin, so are you! For godsake!

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Mantis Zero,September 08, 2006 04:26 pm

How do we know it was manipulated by the others? There were whispers but I dont think they were saying "Hey Ana Lucia when you see this blonde girl running through here shoot her in the chest please". We dont even know if the whispers are anything to do with the others or just a side effect of the cerberus system which may or may not be running on its own initiative so to speak.

Ana is a killer through choice (Jason, Other, Goodwin) and theres a good chance Michael is a killer through instruction. I dont see how Ana can be repreieved more than Mike can.

Because the whispers made Ana and her team run..it confused the lot of them and made them even more jumpy...hence when she saw this figure hurtling towards her she instinctively fired the gun. It was manipulation. That or the whispers were trying to help them but eitherway it confused them and along with the projection of Walt, was the main reason Shannon's death.

I am starting to accpet that the whispers may indeed be the product of other entities [not necesssarily 'others']. And if you read the whipsers transcripts in the Lost Library forum, it makes for interesting reading ..but it;s still possible that the whispers are the results of Hanso manipulation, Others, Cerberus or even ghosts.

Ana killed because she was protecting herslef from Goodwin..theres no blame on her part there..she had to do it..for all she knew he was going to kill them. Dont forget that this was on day 6 or something..she didnt know what the heck was going on.

She killed Jason because he murdered her child and destroyed her life. WHo are we to judge her for taking some retribution. It's not rigvht but neither is killing one of your own *ahem..Michael*.

She had to kill the other because they were taking the kids and their people..what was she meant to do?

Micheal still had a choice..he didnt have to kill Ana..he could've outsmarted the others by allowing Locke [for example] to think up a plan. Locke's good at strategy, he wouldve thought up something. Mike's a murderer.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Original,September 08, 2006 04:32 pm

I'm sorry but we can't even class the 'Others' as a point in the arguement. Ethan left charlie to die, and killed steve (scott? I get confused). Goodwin snapped a guy's neck. Henry tried to kill Ana, oh they killed the real henry gale. They blew up the raft and left them to die, oh they kidnap children in the night.

How can we even class the 'others' as people? Actually it really cheesed me off when Henry was saying to Ana 'your the killer', so is Goodwin, so are you! For godsake!

Because it's all relative. Theres really not much difference between the others and the losties. Both sides lack morals and both sides have in in them to be savage and brutal.

What i would say in defence of the others is that they know the bigger picture..they have been on the island for far longer than the losties and yet look how quickly it's taken the losties to behave like animals. I would fear the likes of Sayid far more than Goodwin. At least he had manners.

Als, we dont know that the others killed Scott..it might have been the BS..or it might have been the Hanso Foundation..?

Also, it might not have been Ethan who hung Charlie up to die...it might have been his people but doesnt mean we should automatically blame Ethan. Afterall, he might not have known what they did to Chaz.

I just feel that the onyl 'real' difference between the 2 sides is that one knows the bigger picture and the other side [the losties] believe that it is they who are the civilised ones. When will they realise..in the wild everyones an 'Other'. For proof of that..stand up Mr Dawson. "it's all relative"

[Original]

Oh come on Kor!

'It might not of been the 'others' who killed steve'

Listen to yourself, Ethan threatened the losties, that if they didn't bring Claire to him, then he would kill one of them, every day.

Then the next day, surprise surprise a lostie is found dead.


*ooo, heated arguement now *

[Mantis Zero]

Originally Posted by KoRevo,September 08, 2006 03:36 pm

Because the whispers made Ana and her team run..it confused the lot of them and made them even more jumpy...hence when she saw this figure hurtling towards her she instinctively fired the gun. It was manipulation. That or the whispers were trying to help them but eitherway it confused them and along with the projection of Walt, was the main reason Shannon's death.

I am starting to accpet that the whispers may indeed be the product of other entities [not necesssarily 'others']. And if you read the whipsers transcripts in the Lost Library forum, it makes for interesting reading ..but it;s still possible that the whispers are the results of Hanso manipulation, Others, Cerberus or even ghosts.

Ana killed because she was protecting herslef from Goodwin..theres no blame on her part there..she had to do it..for all she knew he was going to kill them. Dont forget that this was on day 6 or something..she didnt know what the heck was going on.

She killed Jason because he murdered her child and destroyed her life. WHo are we to judge her for taking some retribution. It's not rigvht but neither is killing one of your own *ahem..Michael*.

She had to kill the other because they were taking the kids and their people..what was she meant to do?

Micheal still had a choice..he didnt have to kill Ana..he could've outsmarted the others by allowing Locke [for example] to think up a plan. Locke's good at strategy, he wouldve thought up something. Mike's a murderer.

Ana's a murderer and the four times shes commited murder she had a lot more free choice than Mike. Ana killed "one of her own" (Shannon) if your going to look at it that way, she was about as close to Shannon as Mike was to Ana. All Mike had known of Ana previously was her beating up Sawyer, shouting at him to be quiet, shooting at him and sending him off through this "others-infested" jungle by himself to deliver a ransom. She was hardly one of his own people like Jack, Locke, Sawyer, Jin, Hurley etc

If Mike had asked Locke to think of a plan for him then surely Henry would have known about it, he gets into Locke's head very easily. Who's to say Henry didnt personally check Ana was dead before he made a run for it anyway? How would you even begin to tell somebody your in that kind of situation? Especially knowing if Locke cocks up your sons dead.

Ana attacked Goodwin, it wasnt self defense. Watch it again you'll see who makes the first move armed with a knife.

Ana didnt HAVE to kill anyone, there were several other options but KILL KILL KILL seems to be the only one that registers. Mike appears to have a clear cut "do as we say or the boy gets it" choice, which is much more ethically challenging and doesnt really have a right choice either way.

Mike is no more a killer than Ana.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Original,September 08, 2006 04:49 pm

Oh come on Kor!

'It might not of been the 'others' who killed steve'

Listen to yourself, Ethan threatened the losties, that if they didn't bring Claire to him, then he would kill one of them, every day.

Then the next day, surprise surprise a lostie is found dead.


*ooo, heated arguement now *

lol

True..but there no proof to sugges tthat it was Ethan who killed Scott. Why on earth would Ethan break all of the bones in Scotts body? Thats sounds more like the work of the security system to me..

As for Charlie..remember..how on earth could Ethan have hung him up there all by himself. There had to have been more than one person..also Ethan was probaly looking after Claire. It was probably one of his people..but it doesnt mean that Ethan condoned or authorised it.