Ana may have been pregnant

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Mantis Zero,September 08, 2006 04:55 pm

Ana's a murderer and the four times shes commited murder she had a lot more free choice than Mike. Ana killed "one of her own" (Shannon) if your going to look at it that way, she was about as close to Shannon as Mike was to Ana. All Mike had known of Ana previously was her beating up Sawyer, shouting at him to be quiet, shooting at him and sending him off through this "others-infested" jungle by himself to deliver a ransom. She was hardly one of his own people like Jack, Locke, Sawyer, Jin, Hurley etc

If Mike had asked Locke to think of a plan for him then surely Henry would have known about it, he gets into Locke's head very easily. Who's to say Henry didnt personally check Ana was dead before he made a run for it anyway? How would you even begin to tell somebody your in that kind of situation? Especially knowing if Locke cocks up your sons dead.

Ana attacked Goodwin, it wasnt self defense. Watch it again you'll see who makes the first move armed with a knife.

Ana didnt HAVE to kill anyone, there were several other options but KILL KILL KILL seems to be the only one that registers. Mike appears to have a clear cut "do as we say or the boy gets it" choice, which is much more ethically challenging and doesnt really have a right choice either way.

Mike is no more a killer than Ana.

No way was Ana as close [in distance] to Shannon as Mike was to her. Ana was a good few yards away..Mike was half that distance away from Ana. Also Ana didnt mean to kill Shannon. Mike had every intention of Killing Ana..and he even had the audacity to 'apologise' to her as if that makes it all better! Micheal murdered Ana in cold blood. Shannon was an accident. Ana was a murder.

Imo, Ana was one of Mikes people - remember, "it's all relative".

If Mike had asked Henry to think of a plan then Henry wouldnt have known because wouldve been locked up in the room. They would obviously have been secretive about it. Also, he couldve justy told Henry that Ana was dead..he couldve said "look what youve made me do..you..you and your people..now go..go before i change my mind". Ana didnt have to be there..all that was needed was a good performanc eby Mike...much like the one he played on all the losties. Which proves that he is capable of acting.

Also theres no way they would harm Walt. Mike owes it to his people to at least let them in on what was going in..afterall i remember that Locke once saved Walts life. Didnt he deserve to know about the plan. It wouldve meant 2 less deaths and probably prevented more losties deaths in the future.

Ana may have had a choice in the Jason murder but she had verty little choice with Goodwin and lady other. From her point of view it was kill or be killed. Also she was defending herself from Goodwin. It's not her fault that he came lungin from a great height on top of her.

What Mike did was as bad [if not worse] than what Ana did to Jason imo. He had a choice..but he made the wrong choice. He turned on his own people..thats just wrong.

Also, he's catchng up to Ana in the 'murder' toll now. I wouldnt be suprised if he takes a few more losties out and over takes her.

[Original]

No but the 'others' did.


Henry Gale : Your the murder Ana
__________________________________________________ __________________


Henry Gale : His neck was already broke when we found him
Sayid : So how did he have time to write this. (Proves he was killed)
Henry Gale : Ok, but it had nothing to do with me.

My ass Henry. Other = Murdering son of a gun

[Hooting Heck]

Goodwin didn't attack Ana Lucia, she attacked him, and she had the knife. Although realistically, once Goodwin admitted he was with the Others, either he or Ana Lucia was probably going to die.

As for Shannon, Ana Lucia was acting in self-defence: Shannon came running out of the jungle when the Tailies were surrounded by the whispers and had just lost Cindy.

[Original]

Probably contradicting my own point now, but remember Henry saying that Goodwin thought he could change Ana. That she had potential or something.

I think Henry thought of Goodwin as foolish.

[Mantis Zero]

Originally Posted by KoRevo,September 08, 2006 04:12 pm

No way was Ana as close [in distance] to Shannon as Mike was to her. Ana was a good few yards away..Mike was half that distance away from Ana. Also Ana didnt mean to kill Shannon. Mike had every intention of Killing Ana..and he even had the audacity to 'apologise' to her as if that makes it all better! Micheal murdered Ana in cold blood. Shannon was an accident. Ana was a murder.

Imo, Ana was one of Mikes people - remember, "it's all relative".

If Mike had asked Henry to think of a plan then Henry wouldnt have known because wouldve been locked up in the room. They would obviously have been secretive about it. Also, he couldve justy told Henry that Ana was dead..he couldve said "look what youve made me do..you..you and your people..now go..go before i change my mind". Ana didnt have to be there..all that was needed was a good performanc eby Mike...much like the one he played on all the losties. Which proves that he is capable of acting.

Also theres no way they would harm Walt. Mike owes it to his people to at least let them in on what was going in..afterall i remember that Locke once saved Walts life. Didnt he deserve to know about the plan. It wouldve meant 2 less deaths and probably prevented more losties deaths in the future.

Ana may have had a choice in the Jason murder but she had verty little choice with Goodwin and lady other. From her point of view it was kill or be killed. Also she was defending herself from Goodwin. It's not her fault that he came lungin from a great height on top of her.

What Mike did was as bad [if not worse] than what Ana did to Jason imo. He had a choice..but he made the wrong choice. He turned on his own people..thats just wrong.

Also, he's catchng up to Ana in the 'murder' toll now. I wouldnt be suprised if he takes a few more losties out and over takes her.

Distance? What the hell are you on about Roco?

Shannon's death could easily have been avoided if Ana didnt have a gun obsession yet it wasn't. Ana's death being avoided would rely on Mike sacrificing his son or risking his sons safety.

Youre making a point of this "one of their own" but when you say its all relative thats exactly it. There are no written rules here, there are no bonds that tie these people together. They were in a plane crash, theyve lived together for two months. Michael had been around AL for what, about a week? Two weeks? if his choice is "kill somebody youve known for a week or we'll kill you son" its not really much of a choice is it? I dont see Ana as being one of Mike's people because shes not, he hardly knew her and I dare say he probably didnt like her. Does that make it ok to kill her? No, but it certainly doesnt make it any worse than Ana carrying out an execution in revenge.

Mike has no way of knowing they would never harm Walt, hes totally clueless as to any powers or special qualities Walt may have. Michael is also very much out of the loop with the survivors anyway ("Polar Bears?&quot so he probably doesnt even know half as much as what we do as viewers.

I highly doubt Mike will kill again, and I also doubt anybody will catch up with Ana and Eko as top killers of the show.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Original,September 08, 2006 05:15 pm

No but the 'others' did.


Henry Gale : Your the murder Ana
__________________________________________________ __________________


Henry Gale : His neck was already broke when we found him
Sayid : So how did he have time to write this. (Proves he was killed)
Henry Gale : Ok, but it had nothing to do with me.

My ass Henry. Other = Murdering son of a gun

It's not conclusive that Henry or the others killed the real HG. For all we know it couldve been the Hanso Foundation or the black smoke. :P

Im not defedning 'Henry' here but the evidence is inconclusive. Which suggests that Sayid was wrong to treat the man the way he did.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Hooting Heck,September 08, 2006 05:25 pm

Goodwin didn't attack Ana Lucia, she attacked him, and she had the knife. Although realistically, once Goodwin admitted he was with the Others, either he or Ana Lucia was probably going to die.

As for Shannon, Ana Lucia was acting in self-defence: Shannon came running out of the jungle when the Tailies were surrounded by the whispers and had just lost Cindy.

Yes, Ana pre-empted Goodwin. But like you say she had to..by that stage it was pistols at dawn. As a woman and being somewhat lighter that Goodwin she had to take every advantage she could..so i dont blame her for 'attacking' him. Also, it will teach him for gloating about taking little children..the swine.

I agree with you re shannons unfortunate death. Total accident. No-one to blame except the whispers and whoever they belong to.

[Original]

Thinking about my own impressions on the 'others', I have been way to harsh on them.

I s'pose there could be a third or fourth party, which the 'others' have to follow and obey.

Just cause somebody is an 'other' doesn't make them evil.

*Soul-searches*

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Original,September 08, 2006 05:27 pm

Probably contradicting my own point now, but remember Henry saying that Goodwin thought he could change Ana. That she had potential or something.

I think Henry thought of Goodwin as foolish.

Yeah, he clearly respected Goodwin but it seems they had a difference of opinion when it came to Ana andher merits. Although i sense Henry was just buying time and trying to get inside Ana's head. He probably believed that Goodiwn may have been right about her but was being ultra cynical in front of Ana in order to mess with her conciounce over killing him.

[Nickeshi]

Originally Posted by Hooting Heck,September 08, 2006 04:25 pm

Goodwin didn't attack Ana Lucia, she attacked him, and she had the knife. Although realistically, once Goodwin admitted he was with the Others, either he or Ana Lucia was probably going to die.

As for Shannon, Ana Lucia was acting in self-defence: Shannon came running out of the jungle when the Tailies were surrounded by the whispers and had just lost Cindy.

Goodwin did just seem to come flying out of the jungle onto the big stick that Ana had, it was his fault really.

[Original]

Either way, Goodwin was wrong. He couldn't change Ana, and she murdered him.

[E Pluribus Unum]

Originally Posted by Original,September 08, 2006 05:45 pm

Either way, Goodwin was wrong. He couldn't change Ana, and she murdered him.

I've not actually rewatched that scene, did Goodwin actually attack her?

[Original]

No, Ana attacked Goodwin.

I re-watched Thats why Goodwin was wrong for thinking he could change Ana.

[Sawyer_Rocks]

Mike was blackmailed in to killing Ana and Libby

But what if Ethan was blackmailed? What if Goodwin was blackmailed? What if they were ALL blackmailed? Henry seemed pretty scared of *HIM* when he mentioned it. They could have been survivours of another crash, maybe the black rock (OK, that's unlikely, but my point).

Who is to say the others are worse than the survivours?