Ana outranks Locke?

[Hooting Heck]

Originally Posted by KoRevo,Aug 27 2006, 18:32 PM

Yeah but he was going to blow it up until Rose talked him out of it

Yeahhhhhh - but he thunk it over and changed his mind! :P

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Hooting Heck,Aug 27 2006, 19:37 PM

Yeahhhhhh - but he thunk it over and changed his mind! :P

True..with the help of Rose mind . The fact that he was going to do it in the first place worries me though. What WAS he thinking!?

[Hooting Heck]

Stress.

Makes people think irrationally under pressure.

[kirsty290182]

Originally Posted by Hooting Heck,Aug 27 2006, 13:51 PM

Sure, Sawyer conned him, no shame in that. But whether or not Sawyer was telling the truth, it doesn't make any sense for Locke to hide the guns.

Look at the possibilities.

(1) Locke waits for Jack. Locke agrees with Jack taking the guns. Jack takes the guns.
(2) Locke waits for Jack. Locke disagrees with Jack taking the guns. Jack doesn't take the guns.
(3) Locke waits for Jack. Locke disagrees with Jack taking the guns. Jack somehow takes the guns anyway.
(4) Locke doesn't wait for Jack, he hides the guns. Jack doesn't take the guns.

With (1) and (2), nobody has a problem with.

With (4) Locke breaks their agreemant and hides the guns. This situation is identical to having the guns locked in the armoury and only Locke knows the combination. In other words, if Locke wasn't prepared to honour the original agreement with Jack, what was the point in making it?

With (3) Jack breaks their agreement and takes the guns. It is fear of this that makes Locke choose option (4). That fear is based on one, some or all of: [a] Locke doesn't agree with jack's reasons for getting to the guns; [b] Locke doesn't want Jack taking control of the guns; [c] Locke doesn't want Jack making decisions without Locke's say-so (breaking their agreement).

We can rule out [a], based on your post (Locke would have let Jack get the guns). That leaves [b] an[c]. Ultimately, Locke's justification is, "An agreement you were about to break, Jack". That suggest [c] was the reason behind Locke's decision.

In other words, Locke hasn't made a decision about the guns, he's made a decision about Jack. You can offer up the excuse that Sawyer conned him, but that's just an admission that Sawyer took advantage of Locke's issues with Jack.

It's also out of character for Locke to go along with what Sawyer (or anyone) said. If Jack had told Locke that so-and-so was coming to take the guns, Locke would have replied, "How do you know that, Jack?". Wouldn't he?

Even if he gave the guns over or not, i still think that he should have waited and talked it through and decided what the best was for the group, now, even though it may not have been his fault, Sawyer has the guns....because of Lockes decision!

[kirsty290182]

Originally Posted by Mantis Zero,Aug 27 2006, 13:43 PM

Eko and Sawyer are just as selfish as Locke is, especially Sawyer who hurts everyone around him just to make him feel better (or should I say worse?) about himself. Everyone (with the exception of Jin) is selfish at the moment and are only looking out for their own best interests rather than the groups. Live together or die alone seems to have been long forgotten.

At one point or another everyone on that island has been selfish, there is not 1 lostie who hasn't, good or bad, it is still selfish!

[Mantis Zero]

Originally Posted by kirsty290182,Aug 28 2006, 7:16 AM

At one point or another everyone on that island has been selfish, there is not 1 lostie who hasn't, good or bad, it is still selfish!

Yes and at the moment they are all being selfish except Jin. Thats not in context anyway since I was arguing against Locke being branded as selfish.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Hooting Heck,Aug 27 2006, 20:58 PM

Stress.

Makes people think irrationally under pressure.

True..but thats the thing..i dont think Hurley is able to deal with stress very well..it clouds his decision making i feel.

[Magnovey Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Mantis Zero

Ana Lucia's horrific personality...

That's called a woman word mister!
She is the control and rule.
No Sayde, no Locke and definitely NOT Jack can stand in her way.


She would be my best friend if I was on that Island...