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***D-Roc*** · 06-08-2008, 08:41 PM

Can anyone offer up any explanations as to why the creators had Jack save Desmond's life on the raft? It's almost passed me by, but considering Jack's hang-ups on being the "hero" and getting everyone home, i'm thinking that the writers put it in there for a reason.

Was it to make their "see you in another life" goodbye more powerful..or was it to add another layer on Jack's 'hero' complex?

It just seems strange, because (imo) compared to his other 'heroics' (i.e. ressucertating Charlie in S1), it seems a little half-hearted on the part of the creators.

Beach Crew · 06-08-2008, 08:46 PM

Personally, I thought it was to make it more dramatic on the side of the writers. We, the viewers, knew that all the O6 must survive the helicopter crash and get rescued. What we didn't know, however, was if Frank and Desmond would survive. I think adding the drama of Desmond almost dying made it a more exciting scene.

As we've seen with near-death experiences with the O6 - a la Jack's appendix - it's not very exciting coz we know they're going to survive. I also thought it was more realistic, having at least one person having a bit of an injury from the crash.

In reference to why it was Jack, I agree with you on the idea of it adding to Jack's hero complex. It's like, even though they're free and about to be rescued, he still can't stop being the hero. It seems no matter where Jack goes he'll always be the hero.

Tis a good point.

Miss Austen · 06-08-2008, 10:40 PM

I don't think Sun sees Jack as a Hero at this point.

KatesFate · 06-09-2008, 05:00 AM

I don't think its all just about his hero complex. Jack would be the logical choice for performing CPR on Desmond because he is a doctor. I agree with Beachy though. It was all for drama. The writers love to make us squirm.

IM-LOST-WITH-LOST · 06-09-2008, 03:37 PM

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Personally, I thought it was to make it more dramatic on the side of the writers. We, the viewers, knew that all the O6 must survive the helicopter crash and get rescued. What we didn't know, however, was if Frank and Desmond would survive. I think adding the drama of Desmond almost dying made it a more exciting scene.

As we've seen with near-death experiences with the O6 - a la Jack's appendix - it's not very exciting coz we know they're going to survive. I also thought it was more realistic, having at least one person having a bit of an injury from the crash.

Yeah I agree with Beachy

But I also like to think that it was sort of a summary, He came a hero, He left a Hero... but will he return a hero?? *Dum dum dum*

Miss Austen · 06-09-2008, 04:41 PM

Perhaps the island will 'heal' Jack this time and he'll become a Hero again. Notice that the island didn't heal him when he had appendicitis because he was planning to leave. It seems like a reward thing.

It healed Rose though because she had faith that she would see Bernard again and more importantly, I don't think she wanted to leave the island.

aro1512mystar · 06-10-2008, 02:11 PM

Did anyone think jack was panicked in this scene, i kinda thought it was strange bein a doctor an all.
Don't quite remember the exact words but something like a panicked "IS HE BREATHING, IS HE BREATHING". Not very Jack IMO.

What do you think?

sweet_cheeks · 06-10-2008, 03:26 PM

Jack did seem hesitant, I just put that down to the shock of crashing and the boat being blown up.

Reed · 06-10-2008, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by IM-LOST-WITH-LOST

He came a hero, He left a Hero...

I really like this quote and it is a good point actually.

Interesting topic.

I think I also agree with B.C while adding having the possibility of Desmond drowning was MORE emotional than Frank, even though I really like Frank. But there may very well - and will likely be - revelance to Jack saving Desmond.

We could argue that Desmond saved Jack at the stadium. He injected "hope" into Jack, albeit AFTER the operation but he made Jack believe nonetheless - or so I would like to think.

"But what if you did?" - "You have to lift it up" - I think this 'did' something to Jack.

I think Desmond and Jack's "connection" OFF-Island was probably why they chose Jack to save Desmond in this episode, while also [as D-Roc says] making the "see you in another life" goodbye more powerful.

KatesFate · 06-11-2008, 06:51 AM

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"But what if you did?" - "You have to lift it up" - I think this 'did' something to Jack.

I always felt that this statement from Desmond meant more as well. "You have to lift it up" surely referred to more than Jacks foot.

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We could argue that Desmond saved Jack at the stadium. He injected "hope" into Jack, albeit AFTER the operation but he made Jack believe nonetheless - or so I would like to think.

I think Desmond and Jack's "connection" OFF-Island was probably why they chose Jack to save Desmond in this episode, while also [as D-Roc says] making the "see you in another life" goodbye more powerful.

It was more poignant due to their off island connection. I think you may be right about Des injecting hope into Jack. That scene remains one of my favorites.

Toby · 06-17-2008, 07:05 PM

Leading on from this, how the hell will Ben get Desmondo to go back to the island? With the kinda widmore protection scheme going on?

Hmm.

***D-Roc*** · 06-17-2008, 07:21 PM

Is Desmond included in the islands request? Hmm..

Bass-mastaa · 06-18-2008, 11:11 AM

And does Frank have any significance in needing to return ?

06-08-2008, 08:41 PM	#1 (permalink)
*D-Roc* Hello Again :) Island Architect Tournaments Won: 1 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Locke's Heart Fave Character: Locke Lost Item: Crucifix Posts: 17,138	The Relevance of Jack Saving Desmond? Can anyone offer up any explanations as to why the creators had Jack save Desmond's life on the raft? It's almost passed me by, but considering Jack's hang-ups on being the "hero" and getting everyone home, i'm thinking that the writers put it in there for a reason. Was it to make their "see you in another life" goodbye more powerful..or was it to add another layer on Jack's 'hero' complex? It just seems strange, because (imo) compared to his other 'heroics' (i.e. ressucertating Charlie in S1), it seems a little half-hearted on the part of the creators. __________________ Ben shows Jack how to Pop his Collar --- Following Ben Linus to the end of the wheel AND IN TURN, THE END OF TIME & SPACE Time is Not Linear, Hence it can be LOST

06-08-2008, 08:46 PM	#2 (permalink)
Beach Crew "Moral Police" Member Island Believer Join Date: Sep 2006 Fave Character: Sawyer Lost Item: Toy Airplane Posts: 9,272 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	Personally, I thought it was to make it more dramatic on the side of the writers. We, the viewers, knew that all the O6 must survive the helicopter crash and get rescued. What we didn't know, however, was if Frank and Desmond would survive. I think adding the drama of Desmond almost dying made it a more exciting scene. As we've seen with near-death experiences with the O6 - a la Jack's appendix - it's not very exciting coz we know they're going to survive. I also thought it was more realistic, having at least one person having a bit of an injury from the crash. In reference to why it was Jack, I agree with you on the idea of it adding to Jack's hero complex. It's like, even though they're free and about to be rescued, he still can't stop being the hero. It seems no matter where Jack goes he'll always be the hero. Tis a good point. __________________ Thanks to JB for the Avi. and FBF for the Sig. "I think Juliet really likes Sawyer" - Elizabeth Mitchell You can beat this A.C - Stay Strong D.C - Hugs to All

06-09-2008, 05:00 AM	#4 (permalink)
KatesFate Argh me hearties..the Black Rock Survivor Tournaments Won: 1 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sawyer's sun-tanned arms Fave Character: Sawyer Lost Item: Fish Biscuits Posts: 1,151 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 3	I don't think its all just about his hero complex. Jack would be the logical choice for performing CPR on Desmond because he is a doctor. I agree with Beachy though. It was all for drama. The writers love to make us squirm. __________________ The James "Sawyer" Ford Fan Club Membership has its priveleges. (Well not really, but we have great pics!)

06-09-2008, 04:41 PM	#6 (permalink)
Miss Austen Sacrifice the Island demanded Survivor Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Fave Character: Jack Lost Item: Kate's Spoon Posts: 630 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	Perhaps the island will 'heal' Jack this time and he'll become a Hero again. Notice that the island didn't heal him when he had appendicitis because he was planning to leave. It seems like a reward thing. It healed Rose though because she had faith that she would see Bernard again and more importantly, I don't think she wanted to leave the island. Last edited by Miss Austen; 06-09-2008 at 05:14 PM.

06-10-2008, 02:11 PM	#7 (permalink)
aro1512mystar The Journey Begins Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Scotland, Fife Fave Character: Charlotte Lost Item: DS Ring Posts: 5	Jacks reaction Did anyone think jack was panicked in this scene, i kinda thought it was strange bein a doctor an all. Don't quite remember the exact words but something like a panicked "IS HE BREATHING, IS HE BREATHING". Not very Jack IMO. What do you think? __________________

06-08-2008, 10:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
Miss Austen Sacrifice the Island demanded Survivor Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Fave Character: Jack Lost Item: Kate's Spoon Posts: 630 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	I don't think Sun sees Jack as a Hero at this point.

06-10-2008, 03:26 PM	#8 (permalink)
sweet_cheeks Main Character Survivor Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: On a Island Fave Character: Sawyer Lost Item: Fish Biscuits Posts: 182	Jack did seem hesitant, I just put that down to the shock of crashing and the boat being blown up.

06-17-2008, 07:05 PM	#11 (permalink)
Toby Lord of the Flies Survivor Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 790	Leading on from this, how the hell will Ben get Desmondo to go back to the island? With the kinda widmore protection scheme going on? Hmm. __________________ http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r...urvivalsig.jpg http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r...esitations.jpg Ying/Yang - guide me!

06-17-2008, 07:21 PM	#12 (permalink)
*D-Roc* Hello Again :) Island Architect Tournaments Won: 1 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Locke's Heart Fave Character: Locke Lost Item: Crucifix Posts: 17,138	Is Desmond included in the islands request? Hmm.. __________________ Ben shows Jack how to Pop his Collar --- Following Ben Linus to the end of the wheel AND IN TURN, THE END OF TIME & SPACE Time is Not Linear, Hence it can be LOST

06-18-2008, 11:11 AM	#13 (permalink)
Bass-mastaa Run, Hide or Die Survivor Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chiiibola ! Fave Character: Mr. Eko Lost Item: Jesus Stick Posts: 911 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	And does Frank have any significance in needing to return ? __________________ " You waited 40 days to Talk ? You waited 40 days to cry "

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