"Exotic Matter"

[sweet_cheeks]

Was a joke because my idea was a bit dumb

To answer the question, although the Bermuda Triangle is NOT REAL i think some of the odd therories have been used and tweaked a bit. Although the earth obviously does contain electromagnetism.

Normally a compass will point toward magnetic north. The difference between the two is known as compass variation. The amount of variation changes by as much as 60 degrees at various locations around the World. If this compass variation or error is not compensated for, navigators can find themselves far off course and in deep trouble. Although in the past this compass variation did affect the "Bermuda Triangle" region, due to fluctuations in the Earth's magnetic field this has apparently not been the case since the nineteenth century.

Man this is Deep

Feel free to put me Right on things, a scientist i am not

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Reed

I wonder whether the matter is limited to that small area [i.e. the Vault] or whether the whole it covers the WHOLE station. Irrelevant I suppose. However, I wonder how on Earth they came across it in the first place - though I would imagine there are ways to detect such phenomena. I would not put it past them knowing what they were looking for.

I would think that the exotic matter is particularly abundant in the area underneath/adjacent to the Vault, although there may also be traces of it in other areas of the island, such as the Swan station - which contained quite alot of electromagnetic properties (i.e. time-travel facilitating properties, akin to those which helped to move the island, perhaps).

I think that the D.I. came across the matter because it emitted a unique reading..perhaps they were able to measure the electrons or 'energy' that radiated from that area? Or, perhaps they came across it by accident whilst digging/mining for their station building?

Yeah, the island is a playground for scientists - note the enthusiasm shown both Charlotte and Faraday. I would imagine that once they detected something 'unique', they didn't stop until they found out what it was and what it could do.

I would imagine so. The area beneath the Island was apart of the Island so I can only assume it moved also. How do you know the Hydra Station was moved? Though yes I would also believe that would move also.

Yup, I think that the point of making Jack reference it during the choppers fuel problem..and having Frank say that there was nothing but water for miles, was to signify that the Hydra island had also moved.

Which would also suggest that the 'sphere' (snowglobe) around the island, extends at least a couple of miles outside of the islands actual diameter. So I would expect Faraday and his band of redshirts to end up wherever the island ends up

[monster-eats-pilot]

Can I just say I love how you start this thread with WTF!? Roco
And I love the (still luvs ya Benjz) in your sig

[Reed]

Originally Posted by D-Roc

I would think that the exotic matter is particularly abundant in the area underneath/adjacent to the Vault, although there may also be traces of it in other areas of the island, such as the Swan station - which contained quite alot of electromagnetic properties (i.e. time-travel facilitating properties, akin to those which helped to move the island, perhaps).

Yes I would agree with this. Good point regarding the Swan, because the properties facilitated Desmond's "time travel" experience in S3. One would assume the properties were the same or similiar. The actual Vault itself confuses me as I presumed one would need to be inside it to time travel and/or "teleport".

I think that the D.I. came across the matter because it emitted a unique reading..perhaps they were able to measure the electrons or 'energy' that radiated from that area? Or, perhaps they came across it by accident whilst digging/mining for their station building?

I would agree with the first assumption there because they would need 'readings' to detect it in the first place. The way they have made use of the properties [using technology] is quite fascinating; of which needed immense funding - did Widmore own the D.I? Ben TOOK the Island from Widmore.

Yeah, the island is a playground for scientists - note the enthusiasm shown both Charlotte and Faraday. I would imagine that once they detected something 'unique', they didn't stop until they found out what it was and what it could do.

I suppose that is the kind of thing the D.I were there for so this is not suprising, especially considering the Orchid appears to be harbour the MOST important 'resource/ability'.

Yup, I think that the point of making Jack reference it during the choppers fuel problem..and having Frank say that there was nothing but water for miles, was to signify that the Hydra island had also moved.

Which would also suggest that the 'sphere' (snowglobe) around the island, extends at least a couple of miles outside of the islands actual diameter. So I would expect Faraday and his band of redshirts to end up wherever the island ends up

Sorry I misread, I thought you said "Hyda Station" - which in any event does not make a difference because it was located in the surrounding area and joined to the Island I believe and was likely to be moved also.

I would agree with the second paragraph here, and it is good to know Faraday and Co. are STILL on the Island. Frank MAY have seen them in the Ocean perhaps if they did not move with the Island.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Reed

Yes I would agree with this. Good point regarding the Swan, because the properties facilitated Desmond's "time travel" experience in S3. One would assume the properties were the same or similiar. The actual Vault itself confuses me as I presumed one would need to be inside it to time travel and/or "teleport".

Yeah, I think the eletromagnetic properties are prominent in the Swan hatch area and the Vault area. Possibly the type of energy that they emit is slightly different..one making the travel of consciousness through time and space possible, and the other allowing physical and total time-travel? Or perhaps the medium of time-travel simply depends on the 'level' of energy. I'm assuming that ben's turning of the wheel produced more (electromagnetic) energy than Desmond's turning of the key.

As for the Vault itself, my understanding is that it's a ruse like most of the Dharma set-ups. That's not to say that it doesn't allow for time-travel, but that the real deal is located behind/underneath it. Much like the real purpose of the Swan and Pearl stations were hidden.

It could also be argued that the Vault was Dharma's attempt to modernise/perhaps control the time-travel mechanism..and that the wheel was installed by a much older civilisation..perhaps Alpert's people?

I would agree with the first assumption there because they would need 'readings' to detect it in the first place. The way they have made use of the properties [using technology] is quite fascinating; of which needed immense funding - did Widmore own the D.I? Ben TOOK the Island from Widmore.

I don't think Widmore's owned the D.I. - I think he was/is a philantropist, which means that he invests in charitable causes or projects. Or at least that was his cover, because as we know he has his beady eyes set on much more than charity. As you infer, he even claims to 'own' the island in his meeting with ben in Cabin Fever. I believe that Widmore and Ben may have secretly brought down the D.I. together, but Ben double-crossed Widmore. Or something like that. That said, Ben did make-out as if he knew very little of Widmore when he was showing Locke the tape of him beating up his man on the outside.

I suppose that is the kind of thing the D.I were there for so this is not suprising, especially considering the Orchid appears to be harbour the MOST important 'resource/ability'.

Indeed. I mean imagine having the ability to time-travel and actually owning/patenting such a product or mechanism. Dharma (and Widmore) has ALOT invested in this island..not just money, but the ability to (re)shape the world, just like the Internet has. Only time-travel in the wrong hands would be far more dangerous. Although paradox might be a roadblock to such people.

I would agree with the second paragraph here, and it is good to know Faraday and Co. are STILL on the Island. Frank MAY have seen them in the Ocean perhaps if they did not move with the Island.

Yeah, I think it's likely that he ends up wherever the island went..although good point about Frank/Pen and Des - "The Searcher" might stumble upon them (and maybe Jin). Although they would be starving after 1 week without food and water.

[KatesFate]

Yup, I think that the point of making Jack reference it during the choppers fuel problem..and having Frank say that there was nothing but water for miles, was to signify that the Hydra island had also moved.

Which would also suggest that the 'sphere' (snowglobe) around the island, extends at least a couple of miles outside of the islands actual diameter. So I would expect Faraday and his band of redshirts to end up wherever the island ends up

I seem to remember that the guy manning the boat told Desmond that he could only go 5 miles offshore without being able to read the (whatever the thing is called that measures the ocean depth), someone help me out here. lol Which would mean if he was able to make it within 5 miles before the boat exploded, the "globe" would have to extend up to 5 miles in diameter.

I think that the writers will have Daniel and the Redshirts turning up on the island again, if only to give the audience an idea of just how far that protective shield does extend.

[Magnovey Phoenix]

Originally Posted by sweet_cheeks

Lost is not our typical show though

I agree. I lot of science and a lot of faith!

It's not Bermuda, but it looks like it. More like resembles to it. Electromagnetism of the Island corrupts any technology which is quite normal. But still, how did those super radios of freighters work?
Remember when Sayde said (to Naomi) he never saw such sophisticated equipment? Maybe Widmore knew what will Island do, so he made fancy radios resistant to Island's electromagnetism...