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Old 06-02-2008, 10:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Forget the question about why Sayid and Des shouldn't trust the captain - that was surely curtailed due to the writers strike.

The answer/resolution I was seeking in the finale, in particular, was why Hugo was "sorry I went with Locke"..

Was it simply because his choosing Locke's side on TBotE faciliatated the chain of events, and he felt guilty for Jack's coming back to rescue him?

If so, I thought it would be a bit more epic than that.
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I think it was the fact that jack came back for him.
If hurley went with jack then they wouldnt have needed to go to the orchid
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Oh yes, i had forgotten about the captain reference! Unless we are simply supposed to assume that the captain was 'working with Ben' also??
And in reference to Hurley...i am guessing that he just meant that Jack was obviously right to trust the Freighties to get them off the island, and that Hurley was sorry that he didn't trust him in the first place.
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Jack wasn't right about them though
they came to kill everyone apart from ben.....
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No, what i meant was, Jack trusted them to get the losties off the island...and in the end he was right to, because that's what they did.
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That wasn't the original plan but ok yeah.
Although that freighter did kill many many people
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I also thought the 'I'm sorry I went with Locke' plot would have been a bit more exciting and epic...a bit more clear cut where it's clear that Hurley regretted going with Locke. But unless I missed it I don't remember seeing or hearing anything like that.

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I think it was the fact that jack came back for him.
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Yeah quite possibly: after a while back in the real world Hurley would have gone over the events again and again in his head, and may have thought that by sticking with Jack in the first place they wouldn't eventually have had to go back for him at the Orchid. And so Hurley feels guilty: like the reason that put him in the mental institute in the first place (feeling guilty about killing all those people by going onto the (dock landing something or other?)) he gets it into his head that by choosing to follow Locke is the action that resulted in all the bad things happening to the helicopter and the escape later on.

But I hope there's something more substantial than that though, or that Hurley will at least make clear reference to it and explain it more later on.

Even though Hurley did completey the right thing by going with Locke!
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I am still confused by this.

Hurley's decision to join Team Locke eventually came to a halt several episodes ago. Locke's pulling the gun on Sawyer was the reason Hurley remained with Locke. So why on Earth did Hurley apologise to Jack? I agree that I expected something more "epic" at the time of the scene, though perhaps it was a simple apology and nothing more?

When Jack and Hurley met in the Finalé, there was an awkardness between them, if you want to call it that. So Hurley was merely apologising because he knew Jack took it personally perhaps?

But it is open to interpretation I suppose.
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It was ultimately too confusing a scenario for any concrete reasons to be drawn out of it. I expected a clear-cut reason as to why Locke was right about their needing to stay on the island yet Hurley was wrong to go with Locke, but we didn't get that. As it happens, both Locke and Jack were right - the mercenaries on the freighter wanted to kill them all, but the first four people to land on the island ended up helping them to escape. The village turned out to be the least safe place and most of Locke's group, who Hurley helped to encourage, died - I suspect Jack wins on numbers of survivors, though luck had a lot to do with it. The main threat chose to go with Locke twice, so we don't know which he meant. I'm not entirely sure the writers didn't simply forget about this plot point ....
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It was ultimately too confusing a scenario for any concrete reasons to be drawn out of it. I expected a clear-cut reason as to why Locke was right about their needing to stay on the island yet Hurley was wrong to go with Locke, but we didn't get that. As it happens, both Locke and Jack were right - the mercenaries on the freighter wanted to kill them all, but the first four people to land on the island ended up helping them to escape. The village turned out to be the least safe place and most of Locke's group, who Hurley helped to encourage, died - I suspect Jack wins on numbers of survivors, though luck had a lot to do with it. The main threat chose to go with Locke twice, so we don't know which he meant. I'm not entirely sure the writers didn't simply forget about this plot point ....
I think that sums it up very well as it is rather sticky to say the least.

What do you mean "main threat"? I doubt they forgot to be honest, I think ultimately it was just not as 'see through' as we expected it to be - which sums up Lost really.
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I recently watched this again (the finale), and it's like I had new eyes..I now completely understand why Hugo apologised to Jack for going with Locke..and as speculated it is because he felt guilty for Jack coming back for him.

I know I said this wasn't epic, and I stand by that..but upon rewatching the scene where he's taking a leak near the Orchid and Sawyer greets him, followed by Hugo discovering that Sawyer didn't come alone..but Jack - the very person he walked away from in "Beginning of the End", also came back for him, well I guess Hurley kinda feels that he owed Jack an apology. After all, although Jack was still wrong (ultimately), Hurley was glad to see him (at the Orchid) and at this point in his flashforward (4.01) he was relatively happy (the visit from Matthew aside).

But yeah, I stille expected something more grandiose, lol
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On a side note after someone mentioning Othersville above:

One thing I didn't get was why didn't Locke turn on the sonic fence that surrounds othersville? At least it gives some protection and a better feeling about being safe. The freighties probably wouldn't have known to go over it and would probably have died if they walked through it.
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One thing I didn't get was why didn't Locke turn on the sonic fence that surrounds othersville? At least it gives some protection and a better feeling about being safe. The freighties probably wouldn't have known to go over it and would probably have died if they walked through it.
Hey there denzinio,

The fence was turned on, but Keamy had captured Alex and made her turn it off - which sent a secret phonecall to Othersville, which was picked up by Locke and relayed to Ben, hence their preparation for the Freighties impending arrival.

I think it's also likely that Keamy knew about the fence and what it did anyway..he made Alex turn it off, and that alone suggests that he knew what would happen if they just walked through it..perhaps he got this information from reading the "2nd protocol" that Widmore provided
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