Never thought I'd ever be saying this ...

[Spinky]

I'm dying inside. Dying. I still haven't recovered enough to string together a coherent sentence about this. If one more person tells me it doesn't matter if he's dead because we'll have a couple of years to fill in on, I'll stab them in the neck. Watching Lost knowing that John Locke dies eventually is just too unbearable to comtemplate.

I feel sick.

[harvey107]

I haven't read through all the thread as I'm lazy so it might have been discussed but I thought that taking Locke back to the island would be like when Christians body was in the coffin and he came back to life (probably as a ghost) that would be Ben's aim as Locke would become like Christian

[charlierocks]

Could Locke maybe have listened to Cooper when he said that he crashed and thought he was dead?? What I mean is that Locke must know that the island would be keeping an eye on him so perhaps he knows that he will end back on the island, by committing suicide he would get picked up by the dharma paramedics so would return home??
It's weird that Jack or Michael couldn't kill themselves, but Locke could. I think the island would keep him more alive than anyone.
Oh a quick question, why wouldn't Sayid let Hurley say Locke's real name?? Did the real world know about Locke too?? If they were being spied on I assume that they would know anyway.

[TheDharmaShark]

Originally Posted by charlierocks

Could Locke maybe have listened to Cooper when he said that he crashed and thought he was dead?? What I mean is that Locke must know that the island would be keeping an eye on him so perhaps he knows that he will end back on the island, by committing suicide he would get picked up by the dharma paramedics so would return home??
It's weird that Jack or Michael couldn't kill themselves, but Locke could. I think the island would keep him more alive than anyone.
Oh a quick question, why wouldn't Sayid let Hurley say Locke's real name?? Did the real world know about Locke too?? If they were being spied on I assume that they would know anyway.

None of the 06 seemed to be convinced that it was suicide so its not really confirmed that he killed himself.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by harvey107

I haven't read through all the thread as I'm lazy so it might have been discussed but I thought that taking Locke back to the island would be like when Christians body was in the coffin and he came back to life (probably as a ghost) that would be Ben's aim as Locke would become like Christian

Yep, it's been mentioned in this thread - personally I think it could be very much like that. I'm thinking he could be reanimated in a similar fashion to either Christian or Jacob.

[D-Roc]

I also find Locke's apparent death interesting in terms of the choices he had to make as a kid when Alpert visited him. It's looking more and more like that was indeed an iteration (loop) of Locke's life, and now that he's dead, perhaps that loop as taken place again in a different time and space and perhaps Locke made the right choice this time (the book of laws?). I'm assuming that death restarts the loop for that individual - which should be correct, seeing as time is not linear (in my view)..it's happening all at the same time at different points for everyone.

I think the change of name from 'Locke' to 'Bentham' could also support this idea, because he's effectively transferred from one philosopher to another - question is..(when, yes 'when', he reanimates/rebirths) will this be the 'same' Locke as the Locke we've known for the past 4 seasons? I'm thinking 'no'.

I'm off to find the key distingtions between the two philosophers, as that should make for interesting reading.

[JB Sawyer]

Using just my basic philosophical knowledge (thank god I did my Philosophy exam last week ) John Locke was a very stern empiricist who firmly believed that there was no suh thing as a future or fate, he was very much a believer of 'What you see is what you get'. He only believed in what he could experience. However this is a heavily epistemeogical theory. Jeremy Bentham was more focused on moral issues. He believed that a moral act was based on the pleasure and pain that an individual act caused. Therefore a moral act was one that caused the greatest amount of pleasure for the greaer amount of people. Yet if my memory serves me right, Bentham also looked at phenomenalism that stated that things exist if they have te possibility of being perceived. In this sense there is a great difference between John Locke and Jeremy Bentham the philosophers.

As far as Locke being dead, and I said this in my review, do not overlook the possibility of him coming back to life once he reaches the Island. Thus why the O6 need to take him back. Sayid stated that Locke commited suicide, but obviously didn't seem to convinced; and I'm usually one to believe Sayid. My theory is that Locke went to the real world to talk to the O6 but somehow got trapped in the real world, unable to return to the Island. Because of this his life slowly ebbed away. Thus no signs of murder and the conclusion of suicide. But upon returning to the Island, the communion between Locke and the Island will be resumed and perhaps, just perhaps, Locke could wake up from the eternal slumber. Unfortunately

[lost-lover]

I couldn't believe it was Locke in that coffin. How the heck did he get of the island - WHY did he get of the island? It leads to so many more questions! I sort of guessed after they all started saying Jeremy Bentham, since, like John Locke, he's a philsopher, but I was REALLY hoping I was wrong.

By the way, did anyone else find Sayid's "suicide" explanation unconvincing? I get the feeling that Sayid (or someone else on Ben's payroll) had Locke killed.

[Lauren [is Lost]]

Originally Posted by JB Sawyer

Using just my basic philosophical knowledge (thank god I did my Philosophy exam last week ) John Locke was a very stern empiricist who firmly believed that there was no suh thing as a future or fate, he was very much a believer of 'What you see is what you get'. He only believed in what he could experience. However this is a heavily epistemeogical theory. Jeremy Bentham was more focused on moral issues. He believed that a moral act was based on the pleasure and pain that an individual act caused. Therefore a moral act was one that caused the greatest amount of pleasure for the greaer amount of people. Yet if my memory serves me right, Bentham also looked at phenomenalism that stated that things exist if they have te possibility of being perceived. In this sense there is a great difference between John Locke and Jeremy Bentham the philosophers.

As far as Locke being dead, and I said this in my review, do not overlook the possibility of him coming back to life once he reaches the Island. Thus why the O6 need to take him back. Sayid stated that Locke commited suicide, but obviously didn't seem to convinced; and I'm usually one to believe Sayid. My theory is that Locke went to the real world to talk to the O6 but somehow got trapped in the real world, unable to return to the Island. Because of this his life slowly ebbed away. Thus no signs of murder and the conclusion of suicide. But upon returning to the Island, the communion between Locke and the Island will be resumed and perhaps, just perhaps, Locke could wake up from the eternal slumber. Unfortunately

As far as i am aware, John Locke DID believe in fate. Well, he believed in destiny, and the fact that one is unable to influence their own destiny, and that experiences shape your character and influence your future.
That's what my psychology book says, lol.