Lost's New Hate Figure

[D-Roc]

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Lost's new HATE FIGURE:

Mr Martin Keamy


Bounty hunter and mercenary

This picture was taken moments before he executed a 16 year old girl



..and for what? For money? Who knows what motivates a creep like this!? He wasn't even willing to bargain with Ben, he simply off'd her without a second thought.

whilst Ben is hated in the Lostverse by ever decreasing quarters, the actions of Keamy put in to perspective just what real atroscity is all about.

[Hordriss]

Since he seemed thoroughly unfazed by and disinclined to deny the unpleasant hints of his personal history that Ben threw at him, it seems very improbable we shall ever learn anything to his credit (even in the unlikely event that enough of him survived the Smokey attack to have a flashback). Not that I would care, much. Homicidal maniacs on this island have gone downhill since the glory days of Ethan "the Terminator" Rom, and he didn't need a bazooka to scare the bejeezus out of his potential victims... Not that this has been a bad season, but I shan't be sorry if Smokey has polished off every last one of those gun-toting mercenary grunts. All in all, they seem too mundane a threat to occupy any more plot (when there are things like time distortion, ghosts, apparitions, sentient boars, creepy whispers, teleporting cabins, unholy scientific experiments, black smoke monsters etc. far more worthy of the screen-time).

[Murgatroyd]

I can't see him earning many fans, certainly. He'd only stand a chance if some motives were attributed to him - at present, he's a just a great muscle-bound killing-machine, which doesn't make me keen to invest any interest in him. You know I personally think Ben's guilty of genuine atrocity as well, as indeed is Widmore and more besides, but at least with them there's more than a hint of driving motivation, and even if, as I do, you personally find it unsympathetic, it at least makes for a rounded and even understandable character. The only hint of depth in Keamy thus far was his questioning Ben - 'What sort of a man do you think I am?' And he immediately and unconcernedly backed down on that, admitting under the slightest pressure that he was precisely that sort of a man. All we really learn from his very cold-bloodedly killing Alex is that he's not going to show the slightest hint of weakness, even for the sake of mercy: when he makes a threat, you can be utterly sure he intends to carry it out. He's slightly reminiscent of the android-like force of nature that was Ethan in season 1, only without the glassy-eyed psychotic sheen that almost served as an explanation.

[KatesFate]

While watching the scene where Keamy executes Alex, I realized that even though the Losties have been beaten up, kidnapped, pistol-whipped, tortured, shot at, etc..., by the Others, I had never been more afraid for any of them than I was when Keamy pulled that trigger.

This man is a killer. Plain and simple. He will never hesitate to kill and has been trained to put all emotion aside. He is incapable of compassion. The Others had compassion. You would never catch Keamy playing football with his prisoners.

Keamy must die!!! Who do you think will be the person who gets to off Keamy? Who do you hope it is? I hope it's Ben. (for revenge) Or Sawyer (because what a hero he has turned out to be).

[Murgatroyd]

Originally Posted by KatesFate

Keamy must die!!! Who do you think will be the person who gets to off Keamy? Who do you hope it is? I hope it's Ben. (for revenge) Or Sawyer (because what a hero he has turned out to be).

Well, Smokey seemed to be having a good go at offing the lot of them. I didn't have a brilliant picture though, so I couldn't tell how successful he was, but I think anyone'd be lucky to get out of there alive.

[firebreathingfishies]

Oh man... I hate Keemy, but I love him. I love him because I hate him so much. What a SOB. I love it when a new character comes along who I can absolutely full on hate.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by KatesFate

While watching the scene where Keamy executes Alex, I realized that even though the Losties have been beaten up, kidnapped, pistol-whipped, tortured, shot at, etc..., by the Others, I had never been more afraid for any of them than I was when Keamy pulled that trigger.

Although to be fair, the Losties have given as good as they've got - infact i don't think an Other has even killed a Lostie, compared to the Losties tally of 16+ Others murders. But i do get your point, I was just stunned when Keamy killed her..STUNNED

This man is a killer. Plain and simple. He will never hesitate to kill and has been trained to put all emotion aside. He is incapable of compassion. The Others had compassion. You would never catch Keamy playing football with his prisoners.

Agreed, did you see the way he noticeably drained himself of all emotion moments before he killed her - I think it was when Ben told him to go back to the chooper, his face just changed ever so slightly, as if he was mentally preparing himself to do evil. I guess this is a small sign of humanity, but the fact that he did it is just unforgiveable. I bet he's got kids back home aswell. That man is just sick in the head..so is Widmore.

I agree about the Others having compassion - it's one of the things that Iidentified early in Ben and his people - they were always morally grey, but you could just see the compassion in them and the way in which they conducted themselves..abiding by rules an codes, never just killing someone, even when they had the chance (for instance Ben could easily have killed Sawyer and coith the gun under his chair in this episode).

Keamy must die!!!

Who do you think will be the person who gets to off Keamy? Who do you hope it is? I hope it's Ben. (for revenge) Or Sawyer (because what a hero he has turned out to be).

Yeah, i think Ben, or perhaps Smokey - i don't think Keamy is dead yet..Smokes carried him/his people off into the jungle, if it had killed him I think we'd have seen it, considering what he had just done, i think the creators would want to show his death.

Smokey carried one of them off into the jungle, much like it once attempted to carry Locke off down a hole in Exodus. I think it's taking them somewhere..i think we'll still see more of Mr Keamy

[Lauren [is Lost]]

I agree that Keamy can be described as evil, but from his point of view he was just doing what he had to to show Ben that he means business. Ben clearly didnt believe that Keamy would actually kill Alex. So when he did, it was Keamy saying to Ben 'We do not mess about. We're here on business and we will get what we want'. It was a shock tactic to try and scare Ben into going along with whatever they're after. Not that i think it will work...sure Ben was shocked, but now he's just going to be even more determined to get what he wants.

[D-Roc]

Yeah, but considering the things The Others got flack for, doesn't it kinda leave Keamy with *no* room for sympathy? He executed a 16 year old girl..he did so without remorse when he could easily have negotiated a bit more with Ben before killing her.

As far as i'm concerned Keamy has no point of view, because what he did was just disgusting. The Others have never done something so senseless and unflinching, I just think this puts Keamy out on his own in terms of dispicable acts.

I'm so glad this season is going in this direction because it just shows us that Ben really is the good guy. I'm so glad i had faith in him

It also makes me laugh the way Sawyer is so eager to hand Ben over to keamy - is he stupid? Doesn't he know that if Keamy can kill the mans daughter, then he'd sure as hell execute Sawyer!

[Lauren [is Lost]]

Originally Posted by D-Roc

Yeah, but considering the things The Others got flack for, doesn't it kinda leave Keamy with *no* room for sympathy? He executed a 16 year old girl..he did so without remorse when he could easily have negotiated a bit more with Ben before killing her.

As far as i'm concerned Keamy has no point of view, because what he did was just disgusting. The Others have never done something so senseless and unflinching, I just think this puts Keamy out on his own in terms of dispicable acts.

I'm so glad this season is going in this direction because it just shows us that Ben really is the good guy. I'm so glad i had faith in him

It also makes me laugh the way Sawyer is so eager to hand Ben over to keamy - is he stupid? Doesn't he know that if Keamy can kill the mans daughter, then he'd sure as hell execute Sawyer!

Oh i know, don't get me wrong, what Keamy did was dispicable. I'm just saying that i think the reason he did it was because he knows what kind of man Ben is, i.e. not the sort of person to listen to negotiation...he knows that he can get to Ben by killing Alex, so that is exactly what he did. Alex was Ben's weakness - she was the only person Ben remotely cared about. And Keamy took advantage of that.

[firebreathingfishies]

My dad is a big War buff (he doesn't sit in his room waving around gun replicas and being pro-war or anything; in fact he's the most anti-war person I know), he has hundreds, and I mean hundreds of books on almost any war in the modern world, mainly on WW2. Now, I'm not in any way condoning anything done by Keamy and/or soldiers who have killed and maimed, but there is a problem, especially amongst mercinaries and the like, of unquestioning loyality. There are still men around today who were involved in war atrocities, who are neutral about what they did and insist that 'they were just following orders', that it wasn't them themselves who killed, but the men who told them to do so (ref to Ben directly blaming Widmore for Alex's death) It would explain Keamy's apparent not-botheredness (lol I can't think of another word ) of shooting Alex like that. Some soldiers displace themselves emotionally from what is going on and believe they're just the 'middle-man', who shouldn't take much of the blame. One example to contradict me is Vietnam, where some soliders just went off to do what they thought was right after losing contact with the people in charge, but then again at the same time, they thought they were following orders. Even if they had gone a bit looped.

Again, not condoning murdering 16 year olds. No lynching just yet

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Lauren [is Lost]

Oh i know, don't get me wrong, what Keamy did was dispicable. I'm just saying that i think the reason he did it was because he knows what kind of man Ben is, i.e. not the sort of person to listen to negotiation...he knows that he can get to Ben by killing Alex, so that is exactly what he did. Alex was Ben's weakness - she was the only person Ben remotely cared about. And Keamy took advantage of that.

I agree, he found Ben's weakness and exploited it. it's just that i've seen people slaughter Ben for smiling or for being sarcastic - and yet Keamy murders a 16 year old girl and people are finding excuses for him

But that's great because it was such a poignent moment and deserves being looked at in many different directions, I just wish people would give Ben a bit more credit and consideration the next time he does something even 1/10th as bad as what the Keamster did

Interesting point you raise about Keamy not being the type to listen to negotiation - you're right, although I can't understand why he was so quick to pull the trigger. There was plently of scope left for negotiation, sure Ben was yanking his chain, but seriously, this is a military man who has surely been in negotiation situations before - executing your hostage just isn't a wise strategic move, hence why hostage taking still goes on today - cos it's still an effective way to get what you want.

But as you said, Keamy isn't a man to listen to reason - I guess he has his orders and that's it. I guess looking at the bigger picture, it says even more about Widmore, than it does Keamy - Widmore has a child for sure, how could father do that to another father? Did he think there wouldbe no ramifications? Does he really not care all that much about Penny?

What a monster!

[Murgatroyd]

Originally Posted by Roco

how could father do that to another father?

True, but that said, you could say the same of numerous murders in Lost - it's not unique to Alex's. Ben's a father who's killed people's sons and daughters, as is Sawyer, as was Ana Lucia ....

I'm interested in Widmore's perspective on events, mind. He's as adamant that Ben's responsible for Alex's death as Ben's adamant that he isn't. If Keamy's under Widmore's orders that clearly Widmore had a major part to play; and as I've said before, there's so many ways Ben could've prevented these events from occurring as well. But I'm keen to know what specifically Widmore's conscience has to say on the matter.