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Wolstie · 04-27-2008, 06:21 PM

We learned in this episode that maybe Ben can phase through time or time travel like Desmond. At the end when he confronted Whidmore, Charles said "are you going to kill me" and Ben said "You know I can't do that" or something to that matter. Is it possible that Charles is Ben's constant. That's why he can't kill him?

Hordriss · 04-27-2008, 06:31 PM

Who knows, but it's a damn good theory. Ben certainly seems to have done some time-space travelling. Who normally wears a parka in the Sahara Desert, unless they've just teleported there? Possibly from the time the Sahara was cold enough to support polar bears? Though why he should be branding them with Dharma logos I haven't the foggiest...

***D-Roc*** · 04-27-2008, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolstie

We learned in this episode that maybe Ben can phase through time or time travel like Desmond. At the end when he confronted Whidmore, Charles said "are you going to kill me" and Ben said "You know I can't do that" or something to that matter. Is it possible that Charles is Ben's constant. That's why he can't kill him?

Not sure..although it is a good suggestion which i didn't think of.

I was thinking that he couldn't kill him due to the "rules" - which i assume prohibit a violent act (or murder) of your direct rival or their family members. I'm thinking that these rules were established during the time of Dharma..perhaps Jacob is also involved in their implementation?

Although, i guess these "rules" could also refer to the rules of a 'constant' and what must be done to keep it.

KatesFate · 04-28-2008, 05:04 AM

Could very well be. What I immediately thought was that the island won't let Widmore die and that is why Ben can't kill him.

***Kiowa Warrior*** · 04-28-2008, 10:08 AM

Yeah it's possible...so would your constant mean knowing anyone in both time zones, regardless of whether you cared about them/loved them etc. or not?

My first thought was that Ben couldn't kill Widmore because, for some reason or another, he needs him: possibly to keep the game going, to safeguard someone/something or because he'd suffer more from his death than from his existence, possibly as a punishment from someone/something, and only a greater power so to speak could remove either one of them.

Lauren [is Lost] · 04-28-2008, 05:19 PM

Lol maybe it's like Harry Potter and Lord Voldemort - 'neither can live while the other survives'...i.e. if one dies, so must the other. Hang on. Actually, this whole HP thing could make sense!! This episode did have slight likenesses to HP - Ben's 'apparation'

also it can be said that Ben resembles Harry and Widmore resembles Lord V...LOL. I'm just going off on one now...
Anyway. yes, it's possible that Charles is Ben's constant. I did wonder why Ben said that he couldn't kill him...does he mean literally?

04-27-2008, 06:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
Wolstie Leap of faith Survivor Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Prestonia Fave Character: Vincent Lost Item: Vincent Posts: 1,669 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	Is Charles Widmore Ben's Constant? We learned in this episode that maybe Ben can phase through time or time travel like Desmond. At the end when he confronted Whidmore, Charles said "are you going to kill me" and Ben said "You know I can't do that" or something to that matter. Is it possible that Charles is Ben's constant. That's why he can't kill him? __________________ Follow Follow Follow, Cause United are Going, to Moscow, They'll be Thousands of Reds, Without Tickets or Beds, Cause United are Going to Moscow

04-27-2008, 06:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
Hordriss Two Sides Survivor Join Date: Sep 2006 Fave Character: Desmond Lost Item: Orange Peel Posts: 209	Who knows, but it's a damn good theory. Ben certainly seems to have done some time-space travelling. Who normally wears a parka in the Sahara Desert, unless they've just teleported there? Possibly from the time the Sahara was cold enough to support polar bears? Though why he should be branding them with Dharma logos I haven't the foggiest... __________________ We want information... and some friggin' answers.

04-28-2008, 05:04 AM	#4 (permalink)
KatesFate Argh me hearties..the Black Rock Survivor Tournaments Won: 1 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sawyer's sun-tanned arms Fave Character: Sawyer Lost Item: Fish Biscuits Posts: 1,172 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 3	Could very well be. What I immediately thought was that the island won't let Widmore die and that is why Ben can't kill him. __________________ The James "Sawyer" Ford Fan Club Membership has its priveleges. (Well not really, but we have great pics!)

04-28-2008, 10:08 AM	#5 (permalink)
*Kiowa Warrior* Locke 1, Jack -1000000000 Island Warrior Resident Evil Apocalypse Champion!Tournaments Won: 1 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Locke's Right Hand Side Fave Character: Locke Lost Item: Hunting Knife Posts: 7,023 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 6	Yeah it's possible...so would your constant mean knowing anyone in both time zones, regardless of whether you cared about them/loved them etc. or not? My first thought was that Ben couldn't kill Widmore because, for some reason or another, he needs him: possibly to keep the game going, to safeguard someone/something or because he'd suffer more from his death than from his existence, possibly as a punishment from someone/something, and only a greater power so to speak could remove either one of them. __________________ *You can't prove it won't happen...* We got our hearts dipped In time release We got the know how And the elbow greaase

04-28-2008, 05:19 PM	#6 (permalink)
Lauren [is Lost] Discovery Survivor Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The island... Fave Character: Charlie Lost Item: DS Ring Posts: 543	Lol maybe it's like Harry Potter and Lord Voldemort - 'neither can live while the other survives'...i.e. if one dies, so must the other. Hang on. Actually, this whole HP thing could make sense!! This episode did have slight likenesses to HP - Ben's 'apparation' also it can be said that Ben resembles Harry and Widmore resembles Lord V...LOL. I'm just going off on one now... Anyway. yes, it's possible that Charles is Ben's constant. I did wonder why Ben said that he couldn't kill him...does he mean literally? __________________ RIP Charlie Pace

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