Malkin is a fraud - is his daughter the real deal?

[hundredand8]

Malkin told us how the scam works. You do some research into your target, and then come up with some pretty big revelation.

So could she have researched Ekos past to convince him she really came back from the dead, just because she wanted this to be an officially recognised miracle? How did she know Yemis name? When you think about it, everything else she said was pretty vague.

It looks pretty difficult. Eko was using a false name (Father Tunde), and he is a long long way from home where Yemi was last seen alive.

But how did he get to Oz? We still don't know, and I still think the most plausible explanation is that he was tracking the beechcraft. So he may have asked those questions while in Oz. And there was the guy helping him with fake papers for travel to the US, maybe he knows his real name.

Don't be fooled by Yemi appearing in dreams to Eko and Locke in the same episode. Thats just to make the viewer believe Malkins daughters story!

[Indie88]

By the way, what was the name on the passport...could be important...looked like Udu something

[D-Roc]

I dont think Malkin is a fraud - i think he lied to Eko in order to prevent the Church from finding out the truth. He wanted to protect his daughter imo. I think that he is a psychic but couldnt afford to reveal that to Eko.

I also believe in Eko and Locke's dreams. I think both Yemi and Ana sent those messages to try and help our Losties. By Yemi appearing in Locke's dream it enabled Locke to trust Eko..to work with him and not against him. imo. Yemi knew that it was just as important to convince Locke as it was to convince Eko of what needed to be done.

[Indie88]

Originally Posted by KoRevo,September 13, 2006 07:50 am

I dont think Malkin is a fraud - i think he lied to Eko in order to prevent the Church from finding out the truth. He wanted to protect his daughter imo. I think that he is a psychic but couldnt afford to reveal that to Eko.

ah because that kind of thing was outlawed by the church many centuries ago? like witches and stuff..?

[hundredand8]

Originally Posted by KoRevo,September 13, 2006 07:50 am

I dont think Malkin is a fraud - i think he lied to Eko in order to prevent the Church from finding out the truth. He wanted to protect his daughter imo. I think that he is a psychic but couldnt afford to reveal that to Eko.

I also believe in Eko and Locke's dreams. I think both Yemi and Ana sent those messages to try and help our Losties. By Yemi appearing in Locke's dream it enabled Locke to trust Eko..to work with him and not against him. imo. Yemi knew that it was just as important to convince Locke as it was to convince Eko of what needed to be done.

I also believe in Ekos and Lockes dreams. By whatever mechanism, something or someone is interacting with their minds on the island . I wasn't arguing with that.

What I'm saying is that these events give legitimacy to the idea of Yemi appearing in someone elses but Ekos dreams, and that the writers are using this to trick us into believing that Malkins daughter is a real psychic.

You could be right though, Malkin could be lying to protect himself or his daughter. What a wasted opportunity to make loads of money out of that story, don't you think? He does not strike me as the kind of guy who would pass that over.

[Jesskah]

Imo Malkin is a fraud. He scared Claire into believing that something bad was happening so when she went back she believed she had to give up Aaron so that way she would be on flight 815. Also Malkin helped delay Eko's flight so he also was on flight 815.

[hundredand8]

Originally Posted by Jesskah,September 13, 2006 07:32 pm

Also Malkin helped delay Eko's flight so he also was on flight 815.

Just how did he do that? What did I miss?

[Jesskah]

Eko had to stay a bit longer because of this 'miricle'

[hundredand8]

Originally Posted by Jesskah,September 13, 2006 08:55 pm

Eko had to stay a bit longer because of this 'miricle'

Ah OK, I thought more in the literal sense of "delaying flight 815" so that Eko could catch it.

I think that kind of thing has not got any significance. Many flashbacks have shown us something about why a character took this flight, and not one earlier or later. Thats just what happens all the time in real life.

When a train or plane crashes, you always get stories by people who would have been on that train/plane but somehow did not, and then someone else who got on it but hadn't planned to.

And at some level this is true for all of us, every day, every hour. Its just that normally nothing bad happens. But if a brick ever falls on your head walking past a building site, then surely you would say "if only I had been 10 seconds ahead. Oh that bloddy traffic light, I should have run across the road rather than stop and wait until it got green again".

And so, back to Lost. What we have here is a group of people who have crashed, and seen from that perspective the "if only they had not caught that flight" part of their story stands out. And you never meet the people who didn't.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Indie88,September 13, 2006 09:10 am

ah because that kind of thing was outlawed by the church many centuries ago? like witches and stuff..?

Well maybe..but i wasnt thinking along those lines. My current thinking is that the Vatican is involved [at some level] with the Hanso Foundation...

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by Indie88,September 13, 2006 08:38 am

By the way, what was the name on the passport...could be important...looked like Udu something

Wasnt his 'name' Tunde or something? It was probably that.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by hundredand8,September 13, 2006 06:25 pm

I also believe in Ekos and Lockes dreams. By whatever mechanism, something or someone is interacting with their minds on the island . I wasn't arguing with that.

What I'm saying is that these events give legitimacy to the idea of Yemi appearing in someone elses but Ekos dreams, and that the writers are using this to trick us into believing that Malkins daughter is a real psychic.

You could be right though, Malkin could be lying to protect himself or his daughter. What a wasted opportunity to make loads of money out of that story, don't you think? He does not strike me as the kind of guy who would pass that over.

So you dont think his daughter [Charlotte] is special in any way?

Personally i do..I think she's got an 'ability' of somekind. You could be right..maybe she's not..but i dont see how she wouldve known about Yemi if she was a fake..

Also, have you seen the whisper transcripts for this episode? It may well interest you..you may want to go to the 'Transcripts Forum if you havent already done so.

[hundredand8]

Originally Posted by KoRevo,September 14, 2006 06:20 pm

Also, have you seen the whisper transcripts for this episode? It may well interest you..you may want to go to the 'Transcripts Forum if you havent already done so.

OK. Just did. Took a while clicking stuff on the site, never occured to me to look in there.

Fascinating.

Now heres my problem: How is anyone watching the TV show on a 24" TV and whose VHS broke many years ago and who can't be asked (!sic) to put any more money into instantly obsolescent recording technology going to find out about stuff like that without being on a forum like this? What about the other 14,999,900 people in the UK who watch Lost?

Nah.

Them there transcripts - unless the DVD for S13 has "extras" for revealing all of that I ain't gonna pay no attention to that.

What I see is all I'm going to pay attention to! (WISIAIGTPAT)!

[Hooting Heck]

Originally Posted by hundredand8,September 14, 2006 05:12 pm

I think that kind of thing has not got any significance. Many flashbacks have shown us something about why a character took this flight, and not one earlier or later. Thats just what happens all the time in real life.

When a train or plane crashes, you always get stories by people who would have been on that train/plane but somehow did not, and then someone else who got on it but hadn't planned to.

True for most. EG Sayid skipped a flight so he could bury his muslim friend in Sydney, and ended up on 815.

But Hurley - pursued the numbers to Australia and ended up on the plane that crashed on the source of the numbers.
Claire - was signing adoption papers in Australia, but none of the pens worked and she changed her mind. Malkin then gave her the ticket for 815.
Eko - his drugs plane crashed on the island, with his dead brother on board. Then Malkin's daughter delayed his initial departure from Sydney, and Malkin ended the delay so that Eko ended up on 815.

Those three at least, you can't help feeling they were pushed/pulled towards the island.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by hundredand8,September 14, 2006 09:09 pm

OK. Just did. Took a while clicking stuff on the site, never occured to me to look in there.

Fascinating.

Now heres my problem: How is anyone watching the TV show on a 24" TV and whose VHS broke many years ago and who can't be asked (!sic) to put any more money into instantly obsolescent recording technology going to find out about stuff like that without being on a forum like this? What about the other 14,999,900 people in the UK who watch Lost?

Nah.

Them there transcripts - unless the DVD for S13 has "extras" for revealing all of that I ain't gonna pay no attention to that.

What I see is all I'm going to pay attention to! (WISIAIGTPAT)!

lol, thats the thing about this show..it has many features - literally. The producers know that this show is made [best suited] for fan forums etc..so they have really made it so that to get the most out of the show you have to be a part of a fan forum, to discuss it with fellow fans and to find out things that you would never have found out otherwise. There's always going to be someone with such high tech audio equipment who can listen out for whipsers and translate it for the wider Lost audience. It's all part of the experience really.