Official UK Episode 4.11 Cabin Fever Discussion Thread

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SEASON 4 EPISODE 11:
'CABIN FEVER'

This is the official discussion thread for Episode 4.11: "Cabin Fever". This episode was shown on Sky One on 18/05/08.

Writers:
Elizabeth Sarnoff
Kyle Pennington

Director:
Paul Edwards

Episode Centric:
John Locke

Synopsis

and answers, while tensions run high aboard the Locke, Hurley, and Ben trek through the jungle in search of Jacob's cabinfreighter as Keamy prepares to return to the Island.

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[monster-eats-pilot]

Well.
There's so much I want to say but have forgotten most of it! Really needs watching again

[esn]

Interesting - I finally caught up after a missing an episode due to exams, so tonight was a double bill. Both were interesting but a drop on a general quality from last week.

The previous weeks episode, Ill have to review the threads, but that seemed to smack of filler, it did seem kinda dull and nondiscript - though better for knowing what happens in this weeks one.

General thoughts - Is Claire dead now? I mean she didnt seem natural in the cabin - indeed, is the cabin a sort of "gate of hades"?

Also, whats up with the time travell of bodies to and from the island, I am so confused now .

Finally, Can any one remember if Locke reconised Alpert? Because if he didnt, then it does seem rather strange. Also liked the bit where he said "Dont tell me what I cant do"

PS - Abadon returned - I knew he was somthing important

[ator]

I am little confused with the revelation of the doctor scene in this episode. We all knew in a previous episode that the doctor turns up dead with a slit throat. We also know that having made contact with the ship the guys on the island are told the doctor is fine. This ties in with island being on some other time dimension bubble. Now as this epidsode is after the doctor floats in dead, and we know this as the crew come back with an injured member from the smoke thingy attack, how does it explain the time issue. I am confused, how can the guys on the Island physically come across the dead doctor if his killing hasn't happened yet. Also, when the doctor is told by one of the crew about the morse code message he gets, does his killer overhear and so is subconsiously going to slit his throat, or does the Island already force his method of killing him. Any help or views on the above please.

[esn]

Originally Posted by ator

I am little confused with the revelation of the doctor scene in this episode. We all knew in a previous episode that the doctor turns up dead with a slit throat. We also know that having made contact with the ship the guys on the island are told the doctor is fine. This ties in with island being on some other time dimension bubble. Now as this epidsode is after the doctor floats in dead, and we know this as the crew come back with an injured member from the smoke thingy attack, how does it explain the time issue. I am confused, how can the guys on the Island physically come across the dead doctor if his killing hasn't happened yet. Also, when the doctor is told by one of the crew about the morse code message he gets, does his killer overhear and so is subconsiously going to slit his throat, or does the Island already force his method of killing him. Any help or views on the above please.

Welcome to the forum btw

to be honest, Im as confused as you are on the whole time travell thing - I have no idea how it works. I guess we gotta make up our own theories

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Originally Posted by esn

Welcome to the forum btw

to be honest, Im as confused as you are on the whole time travell thing - I have no idea how it works. I guess we gotta make up our own theories

I am glad to be here
I have so many questions and theories, have watched every episode and I guess I need some other input from others to get to the bottom of things that keep me guessing til now

[esn]

Originally Posted by ator

I am glad to be here
I have so many questions and theories, have watched every episode and I guess I need some other input from others to get to the bottom of things that keep me guessing til now

Well just say what your thinking, and read our theories section to give you ideas

[esn]

Oh and btw people, who says I dont do good theories:

Matthew Abaddon = Central governor? or the Devil in disguise

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posted this in the ABC Cabin Fever forum last week:

Cabin Fever. Wow, one of my favourite ever episods of Lost..and one of the most important in my opinion. This wasn't "The Shape of Things to Come", but it was almost as good due to the amount of layers and mystery that it unravelled before our eyes.

It's no secret that Locke is my favourite Lost character (along with Ben), and so I was stoked to see that it was his centric - I knew from the off that it had to be either Locke or Ben, since both of their mothers share the name "Emily".

The backstory was fresh and intriguing - it's amazing how some of my (and i'm sure other peoples) oldest theories from season 1 seem to be hitting the mark (or nearly hitting the mark) - Locke was not quite a 'Dharma child' as I once predicted, but he was certainly a 'Mittelos baby'. And who would have thought - Mittelos pre-date Dharma! Wow, just wow..this is so awesome that I simply do not have the words to do my excitement justice - you can tell i'm excited, right!???

Seriously, how cool was it to see the return of both Nestor Carbonell and Lance Reddick (Alpert and Matthew Abbadon)! What's interesting is that from this episode, it would appear that they are both on the same side - i.e. Mittelos/Jacob - yet we clearly see Abbadon recruit the Freighties on behalf of Charles Widmore. Unless Abbadon switches sides at some point?

What I found most interesting about this episode was the notion of predestination - destiny..and most of all choosing your destiny, if not your fate. The scene were Alpert (young as ever!) asked Locke which item "belonged" to him, was mind-blowing for me, as it suggests that either Emily was right and Locke was given to her 'immaculately' and by "divine intervention", or that Locke has lived this life before and Alpert asked him to choose the item that he was "supposed" to have..the item that he had last time round. Or perhaps the suggestion is that Locke is a reincarnated version of someone - Jacob perhaps? Was it just me or did Alpert seem very excited/pleased when young Locke appeared to choose the white ash - similar to the ash surrounding Jacob's cabin, perhaps? I'll discuss this aspect more in the related thread, but I just wanted to put a few things out there, as I couldn't write my review without mentioning one of Lost's most important ever scene, could I!

This episode seemed to have 4 storys running parallel - the main 'Cabin' story, the Freighter story, the flashback and the beach story - and y'know each one was handled masterfully. I don't know who wrote this episode yet, but i'm guessing that it was our favourite twosome Carlton and Damon?

Keamy continued to sicken me with his attitude - although his contribution to the (continued) time-difference reveal was very interesting - so the island is not only a few minutes behind, but can be a few hours, if not days, behind (and in front - depending on perspective) the real world. Awesome to have this confirmed - no doubt this has something to do with the island being able to 'move'..more on that in a minute.

So yeah, RIP Ray..and RIP Captain..who turned out to be a pretty decent guy in the wake of Keamy..who, by the way, is brilliantly portrayed by Duran - seriously, where did they find this guy..just brilliant!

Strange to see Ben taking a back-seat - yet still he was intriuging - I felt his character was handled well..so often after someone dies, the character closest to them seems to forget them instantly, but it was clear that Ben is still grieving hard..and that was good to see..yeah people, Ben is human to y'know

Speaking of human-beings, Claire seems to have developed an interesting character! How weird was that - her shaking up with her dead daddy!? I'm getting worried that the theories about her being dead are accurate. For me this seems a bit conceited, and I would still hope for another explanation, however it could very well be that she died in that explosion and her sprit just didn't know it - hence why Sawyer and co were able to 'see' her and physically interact with her. Furthermore, it's never been implied that the spirits and manifestations are not physical - just that they come and go.. so yeah, she could be dead..although I hope not..not that I want her to live, but I would just prefer another explanation for her weirdness. Oh, and what a pathetic mother - dead or not, why the heck is she so happy when Aaron is currently sitting on a leaf in the middle of nowhere!?

Speaking of Aaron, i'm sensing more and more parallels between him and Locke's story..even if the parallels do appear to be heading inhe opposite direction.

So the cabin scene..WTF! Christian speaking on behalf of Jacob!? Ok, i'm glad they have confirmed my long-held opinion that Christian is not Jacob, but that was weird - what role does Christian play in relation to Jacob and the island? I'm thinking that we could well have an "elders" backstory going on, similar to Heroes. After all, if Widmore has such a strong history with the island..why not Christian - again, one of my oldest theories..it's made how so many S1 ideas are "coming back around".

This episode seemed to be about Locke finding his destiny - but interestingly we have a clear division between destiny and fate..destiny relates to an element of freewill..choice..whereas fate is just fate..no say in the matter. I am certain that Emily Locke ws right - John was predestined..but he still had/has to find his path to find out who he is..

doesn't this remind you of Jack's "definition" episide..I know everyone rips Stranger in a Strange Land to pieces, but seriousy..these two episodes share quite a bit in common.

Anyway, i'm done talking..I can't do this episode justice..not quite as a good as 4.09, or Walkabout/Deus Ex..but my goodness, I've just witnessed one of the most awesome 42 minutes of TV ever!

[The_abbott]

Yes, enjoyable episode (about bloody time after only 'good' episode 4x09 and pathetically weak 4x10).

It focused on the two more interesting plot threads at the moment - Jacob's cabin and the boat. When I first heard the title was Cabin Fever - I did first think of that crap horror film but then thought it must be reference to Jacob's cabin. I did have an incling when Christan turned up in the chair (as he did in 4x01) that Claire would be there too - although I had visions of her whining that the place is a mess and getting the Mr Sheen out the cupboard. She didn't seem bothered about Aaron so yet again 4th year in a row she fails to win mother of the year.

The boat scenes were predicatble - we knew Ray was looking to get his throat slit and I knew Gault was on his way out when he started helping Sayid and Desmond out. Its a bit of a cop out really.

I have also figured out why Frank is only a guest star as opposed to the other 3 freightees. Its because its story is almost over - he will either die and therefore can't use the chopper or he rescues them and leaves the island too. The other three, Miles, Daniel and Charlotte will be on the island in season 5.

It was odd Locke can flashback to when he was born. I wish I could remember that so well

Of course it was let down by the sudden appearance of Jack and Kate around 9:50 when you thought they were having a week off.

But certainly Lost is back in favour with me. I was worried after last weeks Holby City plot that we were in for more filler episode.

8/10

[JB Sawyer]

First things first (wouldn't make much sense third), the Freighter scenes were amazing. Keamy must be one of the best written villainous characters ever. He's just so believably evil. Sweet to see Des stay on the boat for Penny, however it is a little bit disturbing how he'd leave everyone on the Island to die just to see Peny again. However this probably wouldn't be the case if Sayid wasn't on the job.

But the Island stuff was terrible. It was boring, monotonous and felt like a horrible re-hash of Deus Ex Machina. I felt like I'd seen the dream scene a hundred times before so it had no impact. My idea of a good episode is not Locke rooting through skeletons - unless he's one of them. Hurley and Ben tri to save the Island scenes but sadly it was impossible.

Even the cabin stuff was a let down. I expect Jacob from cabin. When I think of cabin I think of Jacob. Not the ever-present Christian. This is a character tha I used to like a lot but in my opinion the PTB have ruined his characer. He has such an important role to play in the mythology of the off-island lives of characters, to make him an important part of the on-island mythology may just be overkill. Even though I'd like to believe that 'Christian' was merely Jacob using one of his many disguises. I'd also agree with the sentiment that that wasn't the real Claire. Either she did die in the explosion or 'Chracob' led her away to be able to form mirages of her.

The consequential 'cliff-hanger' was just mind-numbingly stupid. "Move the Island"???? I can put up with black smoke, I can put up with Jacob, I can put up with an electro-magnetic barrier hiding the Island, I can even put up with a time-delay bubble, but moving a freaking Island? You've very nearly lost me now.

The flashbacks, despite the revelations of Alpert and Abaddon, felt hideously pointless. Do I really care if Locke was designed to join Mittelos? Really? The answer would have to be no. We know that Locke has a communion with the Island, so it doesn't really matter in my opinion that he was being poached to work there. The appearance of Abaddon was cool for the cross-over factor, but did it actually tell us anything? It actually meant bugger all. And Locke-with-hair chose the knife. So what? It's just obvious he has a fascination wth things that can kill people.

I think I've just really come to the end of my teather (sp) with Locke. I can't enjoy an episode with him in. Every Locke centric has become the same - a monotonous string of annoyance. My love of Lost may be wavering all because of John Locke

Freighter - 10 Island - 4 = Cabin Fever - 7

[Lauren [is Lost]]

Originally Posted by ator

I am little confused with the revelation of the doctor scene in this episode. We all knew in a previous episode that the doctor turns up dead with a slit throat. We also know that having made contact with the ship the guys on the island are told the doctor is fine. This ties in with island being on some other time dimension bubble. Now as this epidsode is after the doctor floats in dead, and we know this as the crew come back with an injured member from the smoke thingy attack, how does it explain the time issue. I am confused, how can the guys on the Island physically come across the dead doctor if his killing