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Old 05-07-2008, 11:32 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I agree. I think that while they both want the Island, Ben's statements obviously tell us that they cannot share the Island and as a result can never work together. Unless of course a 3rd entity ALSO wants the Island and thery work together to eliminate this person/entity.

I think Ben has revenge on his mind as oppose to thinking about Balance.

I got the impression that both men had a respect for the other, though I suppose old foes often express some form of admiration amongst the dislike. I cannot remember the words used but I think it was Ben that made it clear that he cannot kill Widmore - which was very interesting. I wonder why this is.

Indeed. Or maybe its like the day and the night, the sun and the moon, each one constantly follows and chases the other, each one being dominant for a time, and then surrendering to the other one.
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Old 05-07-2008, 11:34 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Those two will never come together in harmony
Maybe they already are, and they dont know it, or are subconcously aware of it

you need to expand your mind MEP
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It is a shame they cannot share the Island and live in harmony. I think it is testament to the parallel goals they have for the Island.
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My mind has expanded enough
They wont. End of. [Until they do ]

They've come together because they both want the island. Happy?
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Perhaps "The Rules" stated family members are exempt from this War, as are the both men's lives - which is very noble, or very stupid. Though I would like to think there is something more to this. Otherwise Ben would have killed Widmore and be done with the fued.

Like I say, both know that deep down, the one is vitial to the other ones existance, and between them, they keep both sides of the universe in balance in some way - but just the night and the day fight for supermacy, so do they
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Indeed. Or maybe its like the day and the night, the sun and the moon, each one constantly follows and chases the other, each one being dominant for a time, and then surrendering to the other one.
Well we all know the Moon is moving away from the Earth and the Sun will eventually explode so perhaps you have a point esn.
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My mind has expanded enough
They wont. End of. [Until they do ]

They've come together because they both want the island. Happy?

Its the same as Night and Day MEP night and day chase each other, fight each other for supermacy, and then one must yeild and allow the other to be dominant
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Now that's where you're wrong. Night and Day work in harmony. It's nature. They follow each and depend on each other.
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Well we all know the Moon is moving away from the Earth and the Sun will eventually explode so perhaps you have a point esn.

Actually Im thinking of terms of old mytholgy - whereby the sun and the moon would continually chase each other across the sky, each one vieing for dominance, before yeilding to the other.

but your anology works just as well Reed
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Like I say, both know that deep down, the one is vitial to the other ones existance, and between them, they keep both sides of the universe in balance in some way - but just the night and the day fight for supermacy, so do they
I take it Ben NEEDS Widmore to stay alive for whatever reason. There are so many possibilities here. I think both are necessary for future events or something of a "higher importance" for Mankind - something along those lines.
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Now that's where you're wrong. Night and Day work in harmony. It's nature. They follow each and depend on each other.

Quite possably like Ben and Widmore do, and yet they are in conflict

Like I say, Im talking ancient mythology here. Think ancient greek. Those Apollo chocolate bars are telling us somthing - remember Apollo = Sun God for ancient Greece MEP
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