Walt Scorned, People Mourned

[D-Roc]

Interesting that Walt should cast out his own father because he discovered that he sacrificed two women in order to get him back.

One wonders how he'd view Sawyer's: "That's for taking the boy" and subsquent execution of Friendly Tom..

It seems that Michael isn't the only Lostie who's actions - however veiled with motive - would sicken young Walt to the core.

Obviously Sawyer's murder of Tom is less understandable than Mike's murder of Libby and Ana - yet they both used Walt as the underlying reason for those actions. I think that Sawyer's excuse is feeble, because he clearly didn't kill loveable Tom for Walt..and even if he did, he didn't.

It should be interesting to observe how future actions are excused and whether the person/s who the action is said to be for, excuses/forgives the wrongdoer. After all, forgiveness - like redemption, is at the heart of Lost..and perhaps being forgiven by a person is just as important as being forgiven by the island itself.

With that in mind, is Mike partly suffering because Walt hasn't forgiven him, and the island has subsequently tapped into that. Or is the island's governance independant..

If it is independant then it is interesting, i feel, to consider why it let Mike leave in the first place. Why present him with the illusion of freewill, only to snatch it from him the moment Walt decides to pull a hissyfit. Unless, of course, it's all part of the chain of events..one player leaves the field of play only to re-enter the game with new perspective - perspective which can only be gained by leaving and then returning to the island which 'glasshouses' perspective..and time.

[firebreathingfishies]

This confused me about the whole Shannon thing. If it really was Walt that appeared to her, then surely he would have known that he had ended up getting her shot...

[harvey107]

Originally Posted by firebreathingfishies

This confused me about the whole Shannon thing. If it really was Walt that appeared to her, then surely he would have known that he had ended up getting her shot...

I thought that could have been the island (or Smokie), it was almost leading her to her doom as it didnt need her anymore.

[firebreathingfishies]

Why would it need her in the first place? I just always thought (or liked to think ) it was Walt, hence the wet clothes. I don't know... I bet it's never explained either

[harvey107]

Originally Posted by firebreathingfishies

Why would it need her in the first place?

A bit of eye candy I suppose!

[firebreathingfishies]

What, so Ana and Libby arrived and the island decided she wasn't needed? Makes sense actually

[harvey107]

Originally Posted by firebreathingfishies

What, so Ana and Libby arrived and the island decided she wasn't needed? Makes sense actually

I think the island has commitment issues as it kills all the women off!

[firebreathingfishies]

Good for nothing that island

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by firebreathingfishies

This confused me about the whole Shannon thing. If it really was Walt that appeared to her, then surely he would have known that he had ended up getting her shot...

That's a good point, but I was under the impression that Walt wasn't in total control of his astral projecting (if that's what it was) and so intent wasn't there. Perhaps the key to 'forgiveness' is whether or not 'intent' is there - although that would seem to contradict Michael's guilt over killing Libby, since he clearing didn't intend to kill her. Although he did have murder in his heart, which is perhaps the overriding factor..?

However, Havey offer's up another viable option - that the Walt she saw was infact Smokie taking on the young mans guise. He seems to prefer 'becoming Walt' - possibly because the young guy is talented, or perhaps he now 'has' Walt's power (which begs the question as to whether Walt is now 'powerless', so to speak).

If Smokie did kill Shannon it also suggests that Smokie (or the island..or Ben ) had cast judgement on her, and wanted to punish her like it did with Eko. Interestingly it gave Eko a 'chance', whereas under this preimise Shannon would have been given no such opportunity. Perhaps suggesting that it saw more value, or "potential" in Eko than it did Light, Sticks..

Perhaps, if this premise is true, Smokie needs to play a balacing act - assisting and deleting 'players' as the game progresses. Not that i'm saying Lost is a game, but the variables and the fixed environment (i..e fate) certainly suggests a game-like ethos is at work.

But yeah, ultimately i think that Walt wasn't in control of his powers - he was warning Shan of impending danger (because she had Vincent, thus allowing 'her' to communicate with Walt?), but didn't really know how he was doing it, perhaps.

But the other Smokie option is also plausible, since we know Boone dreamt of her slaughter by the said Island gaurdian..and on this island, dreams come true..

Blame Boone!

[esn]

100% agree. Good article Roco

I mean, it could be that moving Micheal out of the game was a mere tactical move of sorts for whoever was controlling the thing - we do now have a clear two sides thing going on here both on the island and off it. You move one piece (Micheal) to make room for others (Kate Jack and Sawyer) probably. Like in chess. Or Backgammon.

[D-Roc]

Originally Posted by esn

100% agree. Good article Roco

Cheers man

I mean, it could be that moving Micheal out of the game was a mere tactical move of sorts for whoever was controlling the thing - we do now have a clear two sides thing going on here both on the island and off it. You move one piece (Micheal) to make room for others (Kate Jack and Sawyer) probably. Like in chess. Or Backgammon.

Yes, very good point - the 'game', which is certainly tactical, is going on both 'on' and 'off' the island - I think that's a very useful point to crystalise.

What also interests me is that the island must surely be able to 'see' into the future, if it can predict and plan all of it's movements, so many moves ahead of the game. It's as if the island is making 'real-time' counter moves with the benefit of foresight..or perhaps hindsight (depending upon how we perceive the mechanism of time). Also, if the island can see into the future, why does it need 'help'? Unless it's ability to dictate the chain of events must be persuasive rather than forceful?

I guess it was able to persuade Michael back with a bit of help from Tom..and I guess it eventually manages to persuade the likes of Hugo and Jack to want to come back, with a bit of help from a dead Charlie and a dead Christian Shepherd (i'm presuming Jack gets haunted by his dead father, just as Hugo does with Charlie)?

Another idea aspect could well be that the island itself has opposition - "two sides" (as you reference above). Perhaps this opposition is in the form of the widmore's of this world - 'human threats' - or perhaps it's in the form of the Universe itself. Time seems to be a conflicted element on the island..is the clock ticking down for the islands very survival?